Premierships Greatest Flops

[The Godfather]

well the bad ones i can remember anyway

this applies more to players who came witha big reputation and couldn't reproduce it in england....i'm not talking about the josemis, cygans etc, who were always shit

[theporge]

As a Liverpool fan I'd have to say Fernando Morientes

[bundyv1]

Any one remember Marco Boogers?

EDIT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38749000/jpg/_38749497_boogers_15 0.jpg

[scrumpy]

Veron

[bundyv1]

Titi Camara

[The Godfather]

Titi Camara

na camara was alright

[toes]

Winston Bogarde

Luque

[The Godfather]

i also thought of george weah...but maybe he was just old when he got there

[bundyv1]

Weah didnt do too bad for Chelski when he was there.

Was total Shite for Citeh tho!

[kipto]

Titi Camara

no way...got around 15 goals in his only season and carried the front line while owen and fowler were out for long spells
.

[The Godfather]

although he was remarkably awful for west ham....still i was at anfield in '99 when i saw him score a screamer against coventry....for that he will always be a good player to me

[bundyv1]

no way...got around 15 goals in his only season and carried the front line while owen and fowler were out for long spells
.

Maybe not for Liverpool .... but for West Ham like?

[parrotbait]

Went for Kluivert.....was like 26 or something when he arrived wasn't he?In the physical peak and did fuck all.

[RICH]

you say in your your poll that shevchenko mabye needs more time but didn't say the same about morientes. i think if morientes was happy to stay on at liverpool he would have made a big impact. he did show glimpses of his class throughout his time at liverpool, but just didn't do it consistently. i reckon shevchenko will be much more involved goalscoring wise in the coming season.

[The Godfather]

just looking, kluivert scored 6 goals in 25 games..poor for a striker of his reputation alright.....esp considering he scored 90 in 182 appearences for barca

[bundyv1]

Went for Kluivert.....was like 26 or something when he arrived wasn't he?In the physical peak and did fuck all.

Last linked with Sheff. Weds ....

How the mighty have fallen?
( or should that be Lardy? )

[raZor]

although he was remarkably awful for west ham....still i was at anfield in '99 when i saw him score a screamer against coventry....for that he will always be a good player to me

yep was there too had my view blocked for Owen's goal, not the whole goal just the 2 feet where Owen was, bloody pillar!

For the sheer money paid it has to be Veron!

[STEVIEG]

Forlan struggled to get a game but his goals were crucial in Uniteds title charge of 2003 (Veron had a few good moments that year too)

Veron was a much bigger flop

[Roman Abramovich]

just looking, kluivert scored 6 goals in 25 games..poor for a striker of his reputation alright.....esp considering he scored 90 in 182 appearences for barca

my favourite player for years and then came and done fuck all......
was gutted.

[STEVIEG]

Kluivert killed Chelseas treble

Enough for me


Cisse was pretty bad, but again, injuries didn't help

Kezman-terrible

[bundyv1]

For the transfer fee(s) paid for him -- Veron biggest Flop Hands-Down

But for the wages hes getting -- Ballack

[parrotbait]

I was suprised Cisse was there, he scored 22 goals in 79 games for liverpool almost a goal every 4. Not superb by any means but didn't think he was a total flop

[HappyMonday83]

I went for kezman, couldn't finish his dinner. I would have said veron only he showed the odd flash of what he could do. All kezman did was pepper the stand behind the goal.

[STEVIEG]

I was suprised Cisse was there, he scored 22 goals in 79 games for liverpool almost a goal every 4. Not superb by any means but didn't think he was a total flop

True

There's a few players there that i wouldn't consider total flops

There are plenty of players who would kill for Veron's Premiership medal aswell

It was in the Champions League semi in 2002 where he should really have delivered for the money spent though

[Teknique]

I went for kezman, couldn't finish his dinner. I would have said veron only he showed the odd flash of what he could do. All kezman did was pepper the stand behind the goal.


Didnt Veron score an unreal free kick in 1 of his first 1 or 2 games ?
I was a big fan of his before he came to United and thought after that it was curtains for every other team's challenge

[legend76]

Winston Bogarde

Luque

He'd get my vote

[legend76]

True

There's a few players there that i wouldn't consider total flops

There are plenty of players who would kill for Veron's Premiership medal aswell

It was in the Champions League semi in 2002 where he should really have delivered for the money spent though

awh now Stevie, that that old chesnut!!!

Thought we'd established that having medals is no quantifier of quality

[bundyv1]

Winston Bogarde

40 grand a week to do fook all

LEGEND!!!!

[STEVIEG]

awh now Stevie, that that old chesnut!!!

Thought we'd established that having medals is no quantifier of quality

Did we?


He played an important role in a league title push and the extent of his admittedly dissapointing career at United is greatly exaggerated (because of his price tag mainly)

His ball to Forlan which led to a late winner against Chelsea was a MAJOR turning point in the 2003 season and his performances against the likes of Arsenal at home were immense too

Kezman et all never did anything really (Carling Cup aside)

[Langer Dan]

kevin davies at blackburn,

7.5 million for two goals.

[bundyv1]

kevin davies at blackburn,

7.5 million for two goals.

To be fair he has come good for Bolton

[Langer Dan]

andrea silenzi, tomas brolin.

[afeencalleddan]

LuqueYou might be proved wrong there yet. He strikes me as a big Sam type of player and hasn't done too bad in pre-season.

[STEVIEG]

For United I will discount Taibi as he only started a few games

Double Djemba and Kleberson were very bad though and both cost more money than the likes of Miller and Bellion, who also did poorly

Fergie's worst summer in the transfer market was off-set by the purchase of a fairly good Portugese winger though

[STEVIEG]

Salif Diao (sp)

[toes]

Barry Ferguson

[afeencalleddan]

Fergie's worst summer in the transfer market was off-set by the purchase of a fairly good Portugese winger thoughI'm confused. I don't ever remember Luis Figo playing for United.

[STEVIEG]

I'm confused. I don't ever remember Luis Figo playing for United.

I meant Simao

[bundyv1]

Postiga was ment to be as good as Ronaldo when he joined Spurs

Christ he was shite .... Postiga that is

[The Godfather]

Salif Diao (sp)

watch it....doing the business at stoke now!

[bundyv1]

Count Viana in there as well

[parrotbait]

I meant Simao

You mean Quaresma???

[STEVIEG]

Postiga was ment to be as good as Ronaldo when he joined Spurs

Christ he was shite .... Postiga that is

Great call

though that spot-kick against England was one of the coolest things i've ever seen though!

Hugo Viana was another Portugese great who played in England

EDIT-snap

[legend76]

Did we?


He played an important role in a league title push and the extent of his admittedly dissapointing career at United is greatly exaggerated (because of his price tag mainly)

His ball to Forlan which led to a late winner against Chelsea was a MAJOR turning point in the 2003 season and his performances against the likes of Arsenal at home were immense too

Kezman et all never did anything really (Carling Cup aside)

I might be mistaken, thought you agreed with somone's point about the likes of Djimi Traoré & Vladimír Šmicer having Champions league medals

[afeencalleddan]

that spot-kick against England was one of the coolest things i've ever seen though!Don't forget the equaliser against them in Euro 2004 either!!!

[legend76]

Great call

though that spot-kick against England was one of the coolest things i've ever seen though!

Hugo Viana was another Portugese great who played in England

EDIT-snap

He also scored his only premiership goal against Liverpool, but i guess shaking off Igor Biscan, isn't something to be too proud of.

The SFI ( R.I.P.) would murder me for saying this, but Helder Postiga got me thrown off a cricket team. His goal prompted a mad drinking session which resulted in me being unable to attend a cricket match the next day, prompting my early 'retirement' from the game

[bundyv1]

Could you class Collymore as a flop?

(not when he's dogging tho :D:D:D )

[STEVIEG]

I might be mistaken, thought you agreed with somone's point about the likes of Djimi Traoré & Vladimír Šmicer having Champions league medals

Nope

Jonathan Greening has one and he did fuck all, the two Liverpool players were very important in that final in 2005 and i think Traore played in the 0-0 against Juve too (could be wrong)

Cup comps are different but As much as i agree that Veron was a flop, i think sometimes we can over-exaggerate it

Then again, i'm watching a lot of the rewinds of the games from his era here this summer so i've a different opinion

He unbalanced the midfileld a la Ballack at Chelsea last year though, and its one of the reasons United lost their way in his first season domestically

Europe was there for the taking though in 2002 and that was the real failure, though again, i won't blame him for everything

[STEVIEG]

Don't forget the equaliser against them in Euro 2004 either!!!

Damn that was the same game even more crucial than the peno

[STEVIEG]

The SFI ( R.I.P.) would murder me for saying this, but Helder Postiga got me thrown off a cricket team. His goal prompted a mad drinking session which resulted in me being unable to attend a cricket match the next day, prompting my early 'retirement' from the game

Freddie Flintoff would be proud!

[The Godfather]

fuck sake stevie....traore and biscan were brilliant in the same campaign against deportivo....don't remember thenm having any other good game though ;)


sorry biscan did score a good goal against fulham a few years back

[STEVIEG]

fuck sake stevie....traore and biscan were brilliant in the same campaign against deportivo....don't remember thenm having any other good game though ;)


sorry biscan did score a good goal against fulham a few years back

I'm no authority on Liverpool but as i say these Cup comps are different

With regard to Veron, he was an integral part of a league title winning campaign and he played wasn't as bad as other united players who did fuck all for the club (Kleberson etc)

[The Godfather]

while on the subject of south americans...how many have made a huge impact in the perimership...juninh o and gilberto...i like heinze too aftre that?

[The Godfather]

edu, gonzalez useless, suppose nobby salano was quiet alright too

[STEVIEG]

while on the subject of south americans...how many have made a huge impact in the perimership...juninh o and gilberto...i like heinze too aftre that?

Tevez i suppose
Mascherano looks the part too

Asprilla had his moments, Solano is a versatile player alright

[legend76]

.....

Jonathan Greening has one and he did fuck all, .......

We almost agree on the point so ???

I admire the way you'll defend Manyoo players to the hilt, and i guess you have a very good point about "US" being a little harsh on Veron. would you be more inclined to agree with his inclusion as a Chelski player????

Speaking of unbalancing teams a lá Ballack, surprised poor auld Asprilla insn't included. Weird one that, surely the most gifted player ever, to be accussed of transforming a team with the title in the bag into runners-up.

[AmadeusDC]

edu, gonzalez useless, suppose nobby salano was quiet alright too

Edu? As in Arsenal guy who went on to Valencia?

Are you serious, he really came into his own after a while at Arsenal and even played his way into the Brazilian squad! I thought he was a very good player and I know Arsenal would have liked to have kept him. -AmadeusDC-

[afeencalleddan]

edu...uselessThat's just daft and I'm a Spurs fan.

[raZor]

What about Boksic, overweight, overpayed, underplayed.

Didn't he offer to buy out someone's contract because they were shite for Boro as the story goes.


Bellion was a terrible purchase as well, off the back of one seemingly good goal for Sunderland.


Le Tallec and Sinama-Pongolle came with huge potential, player of the U-17 World Cup or European Championships.

[legend76]

Freddie Flintoff would be proud!

:)

[STEVIEG]

We almost agree on the point so ???

I admire the way you'll defend Manyoo players to the hilt, and i guess you have a very good point about "US" being a little harsh on Veron. would you be more inclined to agree with his inclusion as a Chelski player????

Speaking of unbalancing teams a lá Ballack, surprised poor auld Asprilla insn't included. Weird one that, surely the most gifted player ever, to be accussed of transforming a team with the title in the bag into runners-up.

I'd blame Keegan for that in a way though

yeah we more-or-less agree:)


Look at what i said about Kleberson and Djemba and Miller and Bellion

all United players, and all failures in one way or another

I can see why Veron was bought and also why he was sold

Even this year he frustrated me in the Copa America



Veron was lazy

Unforgiveable for me (not something i could level at two players who didn't make it at United like Rossi and Smith)

Not a total flop though but defo a relative flop

Probably a bigger flop for Chelsea alright though

[The Godfather]

That's just daft and I'm a Spurs fan.


ya sorry ur right...he was useless at the start but same into his own alright...scratch that remark

[legend76]

What about Boksic, overweight, overpayed, underplayed.

Didn't he offer to buy out someone's contract because they were shite for Boro as the story goes.


Bellion was a terrible purchase as well, off the back of one seemingly good goal for Sunderland.


Le Tallec and Sinama-Pongolle came with huge potential, player of the U-17 World Cup or European Championships.

Suker as well in fairness

[STEVIEG]

Bellion was a terrible purchase as well, off the back of one seemingly good goal for Sunderland.




Headless chicken

Cost fuck all and think United made a profit but the next Henry???

heh heh heh!

[legend76]

I'd blame Keegan for that in a way though

yeah we more-or-less agree:)


Look at what i said about Kleberson and Djemba and Miller and Bellion

all United players, and all failures in one way or another

I can see why Veron was bought and also why he was sold

Even this year he frustrated me in the Copa America



Veron was lazy

Unforgiveable for me (not something i could level at two players who didn't make it at United like Rossi and Smith)

Not a total flop though but defo a relative flop

Probably a bigger flop for Chelsea alright though

Kudos

[The Godfather]

Suker as well in fairness

thats right...top scorer in france 98 and utterly shite...

[st finnbar]

As a Liverpool fan I'd have to say Fernando Morientes

as a man u fan id have to say cisse:D

[raZor]

Headless chicken

Cost fuck all and think United made a profit but the next Henry???

heh heh heh!

where did he end up?

[STEVIEG]

where did he end up?

Think he still playing in France

[bundyv1]

Bordeaux

[bundyv1]

No1 has voted for Forlan yet .... Kinda surprised at that

[STEVIEG]

No1 has voted for Forlan yet .... Kinda surprised at that

Again, people may not remember clearly but the guy got crucial goals in a title winning team

Equaliser against Southampton
Winner against Chelsea
Two against Liverpool (okay one was a comedy effort)

a dissapointment yes, but a total flop, i dunno

Defo not as bad as Kleberson and company

[AmadeusDC]

Again, people may not remember clearly but the guy got crucial goals in a title winning team

Equaliser against Southampton
Winner against Chelsea
Two against Liverpool (okay one was a comedy effort)

a dissapointment yes, but a total flop, i dunno

Defo not as bad as Kleberson and company

Forlan didn't arrive with a big rep either, a virtual unknown as I recall.

Stephane Guivarch been mentioned yet? Started the 98 World Cup final (and proceeded to miss about 9 golden opportunities) which apparently made him exactly what Newcastle wanted! :D He was f*cking atrocious.
-AmadeusDC-

[bundyv1]

Again, people may not remember clearly but the guy got crucial goals in a title winning team

Equaliser against Southampton
Winner against Chelsea
Two against Liverpool (okay one was a comedy effort)

a dissapointment yes, but a total flop, i dunno

Defo not as bad as Kleberson and company

He'll always be a Legend for the two goals against Liverpool and making Dudek look like a tit :D :D

I just said it was surprising cause when he couldnt score for love nor money at the start - people said he was a waste of money

[STEVIEG]

Forlan didn't arrive with a big rep either, a virtual unknown as I recall.

Stephane Guivarch been mentioned yet?

Yes United more or less robbed him off Boro

Great call on Guivarch

[STEVIEG]

I just said it was surprising cause when he couldnt score for love nor money at the start - people said he was a waste of money

Yup took him ages alright

[bundyv1]

Augustin Delgado for Southampton

Signed for 3 and 1/2 Million and he fooked off back to Ecuador every time he got the sniffles

[Loftydog]

The new zidane....bruno cheyrou

[The Godfather]

The new zidane....bruno cheyrou

and he was...scored the only goal against chelsea at the bridge 03/04...bruno u legend

[bundyv1]

Just remembered Sergei Rebrov

At Kiev with Sheva he was class at Spurs he was ..... SHOCKING

[STEVIEG]

and he was...scored the only goal against chelsea at the bridge 03/04...bruno u legend

and a great goal against United in the Champs League for his previous club

In fact a lot of these dissapointments got big goals

Forlan against Liverpool and Chelsea
Mellor against Arsenal (Youngster hardly a flop)
Veron for Chelsea against Liverpool
Kezman against Liverpool
Kluivery against chelsea
Cisse Champs League pen


etc etc

[The Godfather]

mellor is at preston now is he...just didn't make it i guess. was linked with city last year and all!

[STEVIEG]

mellor is at preston now is he...just didn't make it i guess. was linked with city last year and all!

Yeah that link was a spoof made up to wind up Noel Spillane who fell for it and printed it too!

[The Godfather]

ha ha, spillane u tosser...nice to c him caught out!!

[skybluebarry]

Has to be Veron

[bundyv1]

Marcelino .... the defender dude Newcastle bought from Mallorca

Last I heard he had to retire cause he broke a finger nail

[xvis]

I voted for Morientes ....there was no conceievable reason why he shouldn't have settled in very nicely, ..he had been doing it all for years and seemed to have the right attitude and style ...but he was total bunk.


Veron is still a bit of an enigma, ..I was a big fan of his before his arrival and I'd have liked him to have had another year, ...but the impact didn't match the £28m outlay so it was a fair enough call for him to move on as well.

This clip shows what a class player he could be at times, ...most of the clips are from his United days, ...and the impressive European form of 2002 and the title in 2003 made up a little bit for the overall disappointment.

G1ZKlLMwjCg

[The Godfather]

of course noody will ever forget ali diah....southamptons answer to george weah. someone convinced graham souness this guy was weah nephew and the up and coming thing. due to shitty weather, several games had been called off and diah found himself in the first team squad and on the bench. his debut lasted all of 3 minutes i think, he was simply awful....

[Forsberg]

I went for Morientes , just from Veron.

Special mention to Ibrahima Bakayoko... I really though he was the answer to Everton's problems .. He ended up being fucking dreadful

[bundyv1]

Special mention to Ibrahima Bakayoko...

He had a good enough reputation in France .... didnt quite make in the prem tho

[Captain Planet]

harsh on cisse i think, he was played out of position. errah, he couldn't score in a bucket of fannies.

but i voted for veron, not once but twice a flop.

[bundyv1]

Tore Andre Flo
( The Sunderland Years )

[nemesis]

I'm amazed that Stephane Guivarc'h has had only one mention. He was, undoubtedly, the biggest flop that the english game has seen in the past twenty years. £3.5 million (back when that was a lot of money), played two games, scored a tap in, and was offloaded to Rangers at a huge loss. He only lasted less than a year in Scotland too, although he scored a hatful in a game at St. Johnstone that kind of skewed his goals per game ratio.

[Eoin]

Torben Piechnik

Disaster

[The Godfather]

Torben Piechnik

Disaster

i hotly contest and dispite that

























wait i don't actually...you forgot istivan kozma

[Rebelred]

John Dahl Tomasson

[STEVIEG]

Franny Jeffers

Jose Antonio Reyes

[raZor]

I wouldn't call Reyes a flop, goals and assists aplenty.

Had he settled properly and had Theirry Henry off his back he might have been ok. If he wanted to play for Arsenal this season, Wenger wouldn't have hesitated in bringing him back I reckon.

[legend76]

Just remembered Sergei Rebrov

At Kiev with Sheva he was class at Spurs he was ..... SHOCKING

In fairness to Rebrov, spurs were playing awful footbal at the time, they kept hoofing the bad at him,he being 5Ft 8 not realising that he wasn't as big as Les Ferdinand

he scored a diving Header against the Arse, he did get 16 goals for Tottenham. funny how his former partner in crime, Sheva has had similiar teething problems

[legend76]

Franny Jeffers

Jose Antonio Reyes

The 'fox in the box' yes, but are you adding Reyes as a WUM ???

[ho chi feen]

Franny Jeffers


Yup.

Francis Jeffers.

Thread ends.

[ho chi feen]

The 'fox in the box' yes, but are you adding Reyes as a WUM ???

Reyes would be on the Verón (the United Verón at least) end of the spectrum- didn't do terribly, but when weighed against the pice-tag was a massive disappointment. Take the price out of it, and you could say he did alright.

[EL TORO]

Surely it has to be the infamous Ali Dai! Sounness's most astute signing for the saints

[raZor]

His price tag was supposedly nowhere near as what was reported, think it was an initial £8million rising depending on clauses.

For 8 million he wasn't anywhere near a flop.

[legend76]

Surely it has to be the infamous Ali Dai! Sounness's most astute signing for the saints

He would be the worst SIGNING ever, but see below

well the bad ones i can remember anyway

this applies more to players who came witha big reputation and couldn't reproduce it in england....i'm not talking about the josemis, cygans etc, who were always shit

Ali doesn't really fit this catergory, he was 'pretending' to be a footballer, (kinda like Kevin kilbane) as oppossed to arriving with a reputation

[ho chi feen]

His price tag was supposedly nowhere near as what was reported, think it was an initial £8million rising depending on clauses.

For 8 million he wasn't anywhere near a flop.

I'm not convinced that's true. Of the reported fee of 21m, I'd be surprised if they paid less than £12m-£13.5m for him. The probably recouped £7m, which makes it about as good or bad a piece of business financially as Veron, pro-rata.

[Sound]

Seriously lads, trying to put Reyes on a par with Veron is spectacularly one-eyed, even for this place.

[ho chi feen]

Seriously lads, trying to put Reyes on a par with Veron is spectacularly one-eyed, even for this place.

I'd argue that Veron contributed far more to a title winning team than Reyes (fair enough, Reyes arrived mid-season the last time Arsenal won theirs). Reyes was more consistent, Veron turned more matches and had more moments of brilliance (and more of the opposite too).

I can't remember Reyes making a telling impact in any big games, or against any top oppostion, excpet against Chelski right after he joined- and he was at Arse longer and got more games than Veron at United. Wasn't he the final piece in Wenger's jigsaw, the one who was going to take them on to the next level?

TBH I see little between them. Then again, I was also in that minority camp of United supporters who was absolutely gutted to see Veron sold though.

[legend76]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Jos%C3%A9_Reyes.jpg/374px-Jos%C3%A9_Reyes.jpg

José Reyes

[Sound]

I'd argue that Veron contributed far more to a title winning team than Reyes (fair enough, Reyes arrived mid-season the last time Arsenal won theirs). Reyes was more consistent, Veron turned more matches and had more moments of brilliance (and more of the opposite too).

I can't remember Reyes making a telling impact in any big games, or against any top oppostion, excpet against Chelski right after he joined- and he was at Arse longer and got more games than Veron at United. Wasn't he the final piece in Wenger's jigsaw, the one who was going to take them on to the next level?

TBH I see little between them. Then again, I was also in that minority camp of United supporters who was absolutely gutted to see Veron sold though.


I'm all for spirited debate etc but gowonouttathat! You must think I came down ion the last shower. :D

[ho chi feen]

I'm all for spirited debate etc but gowonouttathat! You must think I came down ion the last shower. :D

Not at all. Although I've long since been resigned to being in the minority on matters Veron.

I really felt we shouldn't have let him go, for a whole raft of reasons which I won't go into here. I could be horribly misguided though, but that's the beauty of footy opinions.

[STEVIEG]

Seriously lads, trying to put Reyes on a par with Veron is spectacularly one-eyed, even for this place.

Not on a par but still a relative flop

The extent of Verons floppiness in the Prem is vastly exaggerated i can't believe he has got more votes than players who have done nothing whatsoever in the league

Reyes has since proved himself a good player but he was still a relative let-down at Arsenal, considering his all to apparent talent

Jeffers was simply terrible

[Sound]

But, but, but Veron cost an absolute mint and was gash! Reyes cost half that.

:-?

[STEVIEG]

But, but, but Veron cost an absolute mint and was gash! Reyes cost half that.

:-?

Veron wasn't gash

Take out the fee and he was an important player in a title winning team

He is being judged on the standards that went before him, the Premierships best ever midfield and the only team who won three titles on the trot in the modern era

He was dissapointing compared to what went before and a let down because of his obvious talent, but he was hardly gash

I refer you to the examples of his importance earlier in the thread

Reyes, i'm no authority on and i accept i may have been harsh, But Veron has twice as much votes in thsi thread as Kezman, who WAS gash

Veron for Chelsea was even worse that he was for United and i accept that

[Sound]

Feckin' hell, Joe Stalin himself would be proud of ye're powers of revisionism!

[STEVIEG]

Feckin' hell, Joe Stalin himself would be proud of ye're powers of revisionism!

I watch the games he played quite regularly, especially during the summer when MUTV just repeats stuff and i'm bored

Believe me, he wasn't as bad as people make out

A dissapointment yes
A flop, probably
Biggest flop ever, No

[legend76]

I watch the games he played quite regularly, especially during the summer when MUTV just repeats stuff and i'm bored

Believe me, he wasn't as bad as people make out

A dissapointment yes
A flop, probably
Biggest flop ever, No

He certainally wasn't. I'm surprised he's running away with the poll too.

Kleberson was surely a bigger dissapointment, from the moment his tackle on Scholes changed the game against England to him setting up one of the goals in the final, he looked like a great prospect. were it not for double djemba's unfathomable awfulness he should have stuck out like a sore thumb as one of Fergie's must underperforming signings ever. even Dion Dublin did more!!!

P.S. I voted Massimo

[STEVIEG]

He certainally wasn't. I'm surprised he's running away with the poll too.

Kleberson was surely a bigger dissapointment, from the moment his tackle on Scholes changed the game against England to him setting up one of the goals in the final, he looked like a great prospect. were it not for double djemba's unfathomable awfulness he should have stuck out like a sore thumb as one of Fergie's must underperforming signings ever. even Dion Dublin did more!!!

P.S. I voted Massimo

Agreed

Kleberson and Djemba were woeful

Taking it back to Pre-Premiership days the likes of Peter Davenport and of course, Gary Birtles were terrible signings too

[legend76]

Agreed

Kleberson and Djemba were woeful

Taking it back to Pre-Premiership days the likes of Peter Davenport and of course, Gary Birtles were terrible signings too

I think it's fair to say, not up with Webb and Keano as two of yer better signings from Forest .


then again isn't Webby a postman now, while Britles has a handy number with sky sports

[STEVIEG]

I think it's fair to say, not up with Webb and Keano as two of yer better signings from Forest .


then again isn't Webby a postman now, while Britles has a handy number with sky sports

True

Webb was pretty bad too, but it was mainly down to injuries

A fine player for Forest

Yeah saw Birtles doin a bit of punditry lately

Another player who left his form behind him at the City Ground

[legend76]

True

Webb was pretty bad too, but it was mainly down to injuries

A fine player for Forest

Yeah saw Birtles doin a bit of punditry lately

Another player who left his form behind him at the City Ground

He was decent until he snapped his achilles . you can't hold that against him !!

great passer of the ball ( a lá Véron)

P.s. apparently He's no longer a Postman, he supposedly got a job as a pundit in Canada

Canada FFS Mockery, i'd rather be a postman!!

[xvis]

I'd be in the Ho Chi minority of sorry to see Veron go and not given more time.

To put it in perspective, he was bought for 28 and sold for 15, ..so he cost £13m for his two seasons in fees. ....Tevez is gonna cost £10m over two seasons which is not too disimilar.


Veron entered into a struggling United defensive, Stam was immediately booted and United used 13 different pairings in central defence up to December, ..and added Ferguson was due to retire at the end of the season.

..anyways, champions in year two, ..not too bad. ....surely he should have been given another season ...and it would have been sublime reverse-flicked-over-the-top-through-balls to RVN all season ...just as it ended.



I wouldn't consider Reyes a flop, ..he was very dangerous for the gunners, ...it was just unfortunate he was a bit of a pussy and missed his mam, ...his time at Arsenal was effectively over when he took that call from the Spanish dj.

[ebenezer]

Hey, what's going on here, people slating Neil Webb. tut tut.

I'll investigate.

[STEVIEG]

Hey, what's going on here, people slating Neil Webb. tut tut.

I'll investigate.

Who slated him though?

Injuries killed his career at United

He was top class at Forest

[legend76]

Hey, what's going on here, people slating Neil Webb. tut tut.

I'll investigate.

In Fairness Stevie you said "Webb was pretty bad too"

[STEVIEG]

In Fairness Stevie you said "Webb was pretty bad too"

At Man United he was a big dissapointment mainly due to injuries

when fit he had his moments

[legend76]

At Man United he was a big dissapointment mainly due to injuries

when fit he had his moments

I'm wondering if i should take offence to ebenezer's 'FUCK OFF CALDERWOOD'

The "fridge" was a cult hero at the Lane

[STEVIEG]

I'm wondering if i should take offence to ebenezer's 'FUCK OFF CALDERWOOD'

The "fridge" was a cult hero at the Lane

The Fridge!:)

[STEVIEG]

Nah, i'm only messing but Neil Webb was a brilliant player in my opinion although i'm biased.

Over 100 goals from midfield and 20 odd international caps.

Great technique like, what a passer of the ball.

He certainly was

He is remembered with fondess in Manchester too, even though he had some tough times and played on a few of their poorer teams (before he took part in some decent Cup runs and Cup victories)

Michael Carrick is a similar player to Webb for me

[ebenezer]

Who slated him though?


Nah, i'm only messing but Neil Webb was a brilliant player in my opinion although i'm biased.

Over 100 goals from midfield and 20 odd international caps.

Great technique like, what a passer of the ball.
__________________

[ebenezer]

I'm wondering if i should take offence to ebenezer's 'FUCK OFF CALDERWOOD'

The "fridge" was a cult hero at the Lane

It seems most people do as i'm banned or hated on most football or Forest forums due to my constant complaining about the dopey, negative, naive, promotion costing idiot.

[Edmund Blackwater]

Jesus H, Veron - MVP of all time in the prem
Veron > Keane.
Get the hell out of here.

I can only imagine what this place would be like if ye were left to your own devices.
RedIssue^2

[ho chi feen]

Jesus H, Veron - MVP of all time in the prem
Veron > Keane.
Get the hell out of here.

I can only imagine what this place would be like if ye were left to your own devices.
RedIssue^2

Who said Veron > Keane?

And how would that be indicative of Red Issue 2? Personally, I was a massive fan of Veron right from when he started out in Italy, and was sad to see how things worked out for him at United, even more so at Chelski.

Wouldn't even rate him as United's worst flop of the decade, nevermind the division's over the past 15 years.

[STEVIEG]

Who said Veron > Keane?

And how would that be indicative of Red Issue 2? Personally, I was a massive fan of Veron right from when he started out in Italy, and was sad to see how things worked out for him at United, even more so at Chelski.

Wouldn't even rate him as United's worst flop of the decade, nevermind the division's over the past 15 years.

J.R.R. Hartely

[langer 18]

Forlan=legend!

[ho chi feen]

J.R.R. Hartely

Who he, some SFNE?

[STEVIEG]

Who he, some SFNE?

Edmund alter-ego

A bit of a flop

[bundyv1]

Hey, what's going on here, people slating Neil Webb. tut tut.

I will not hear a bad word said about my postie.
Fair dues like he delivers my post on time.

[Forsberg]

Edmund alter-ego

A bit of a flop

Up there with Betamax and New Coke.

[bundyv1]

William Prunier.

I'll say no more ....

[ho chi feen]

William Prunier.

I'll say no more ....

Nah. A triallist- played two games, scored a screamer in one, had a mare in the other and was gone quicker Leroy Lita's hamstrings on an August morning. Taibi only played a couple of games too and did far more damage, as well as costing a pretty penny.

[mirps]

Nah. A triallist- played two games, scored a screamer in one, had a mare in the other and was gone quicker Leroy Lita's hamstrings on an August morning. Taibi only played a couple of games too and did far more damage, as well as costing a pretty penny.

Never scored...

[ho chi feen]

Never scored...

Whoops, I should have said nealy scored a a screamer. You know what I meant though.

[bundyv1]

Bosko Balaban
6M to Villa .... played for like 16mins

[ho chi feen]

Bosko Balaban
6M to Villa .... played for like 16mins

Yeah, but there was somethin VERY dodgy afoot with that whole deal.

[bundyv1]

Yeah, but there was somethin VERY dodgy afoot with that whole deal.

Sure wasnt that one of the deals Gregory was checked for bungs?

[ho chi feen]

Sure wasnt that one of the deals Gregory was checked for bungs?

Bingo. The whole thing stank to high heaven if you ask me.

[bundyv1]

I know I mentioned him at the start but .....
Marco Boogers
Dutch ... 1m .... West Ham .... found living in a caravan 6mnths later!!!

[ho chi feen]

I know I mentioned him at the start but .....
Marco Boogers
Dutch ... 1m .... West Ham .... found living in a caravan 6mnths later!!!

Marco Boogers is a legend! :x-mas:

What about Florin Raduciou? If only he'd shown the same level of commitment on the pitch as his wife did at Harrod's and Harvey Nick's sales. Dani too. Jaysus, 'Arry sure knows how to pick 'em!

[kipto]

Maybe not for Liverpool .... but for West Ham like?

good point...no argument there...but had suceeded in the prem already....

[bundyv1]

Roque Junior for Leeds ..... wasn't he ment to be a world cup winner?

[bundyv1]

Marlet for Fulham was another dodgy purchase.

[emurf]

Sean Dundee. There so much talk about him before he came to anfield and the he only played 2 games.

[wat_boy]

Sean Dundee. There so much talk about him before he came to anfield and the he only played 2 games.

sean "im faster than micheal owen" dundee

[The Godfather]

speaking of world cup winner, ya roque junior at leeds....liverpool had bernard diomede, 98 world cup winner, how?

[bundyv1]

I think Diomede came with a buy 1 get 1 free offer.

Rumour has it that, while in France Houllier bought a hat and they threw in Diomede for free.

[The Godfather]

I think Diomede came with a buy 1 get 1 free offer.

Rumour has it that, while in France Houllier bought a hat and they threw in Diomede for free.

i think you will find it was a pair of socks.....it was rafa that bought a hat and got josemi free

[azfad]

Marco Boogers is a legend! :x-mas:


my favourite terrace chant ever was dedicated to the schizophrenic boogers -

'two marco boogers...
theres only two marco boogers...'

[bundyv1]

i think you will find it was a pair of socks.....it was rafa that bought a hat and got josemi free

I knew it was one or the other.

[bundyv1]

Marcelino

http://media.rivals.net/media/jpg%5C20000722004508 93.jpg

[batinbird]

Great call

though that spot-kick against England was one of the coolest things i've ever seen though!

Hugo Viana was another Portugese great who played in England

EDIT-snap

The best Portuguese player to play in England Eusebio 66 World Cup.Nobby stiles kicked him off the park and got away with it.The wheel turns though Ronaldo v Rooney.

[batinbird]

I know I mentioned him at the start but .....
Marco Boogers
Dutch ... 1m .... West Ham .... found living in a caravan 6mnths later!!!
I thought all the West Ham players lived in caravans.;)

[bundyv1]

I thought all the West Ham players lived in caravans.;)

I believe they prefer the term 'Mobile Home' nowadays ....

[Myerz]

Has to be Cissé for me! I remember Liverpool spending years trying to get him and the buzz when they got him ... And he did nothing.

[legend76]

The best Portuguese player to play in England Eusebio 66 World Cup.Nobby stiles kicked him off the park and got away with it.The wheel turns though Ronaldo v Rooney.

Eusébio first became the best Portuguese player to play in england, four years eariler in 1962. Benfica lost the second leg of the european cup semi final 2-1 at white hart lane. Benfica had beaten Spurs 3-1 in the first leg so they went through 4-3 on agg. In the final they scored five against Real Madrid, Eusébio scoring twice

[bundyv1]

Considering he went on to play for Milan

Jon Dahl Tomasson

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cymru/chwaraeon/archif/images/tom_swed-203.jpg

Absolutely shocking for Newcastle ....

[raZor]

In fairness Dahl Tomasson was very young when he was at Newcastle and being played out of position didn't help, also he came with no reputation at the time.

The same can't be said for Mikkel Beck though, now he was a flop at Newcastle and Boro!

[Joey Joe Joe]

Considering he went on to play for Milan

Jon Dahl Tomasson

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cymru/chwaraeon/archif/images/tom_swed-203.jpg

Absolutely shocking for Newcastle ....

Ehhhhhhhh read the thread Mr Bundyv1. Somewan else said that already you gombeen!!

[afeencalleddan]

The same can't be said for Mikkel Beck though, now he was a flop at Newcastle and Boro!He never played for Newcastle.

[raZor]

Yup your right, it was Boro and Derby he played for, looking at his record for Boro, 91 games 24 goals there has been alot worse records around.

[legend76]

Yup your right, it was Boro and Derby he played for, looking at his record for Boro, 91 games 24 goals there has been alot worse records around.

as well as loan spells at Forest and QPR

[STEVIEG]

[QUOTE=batinbird;1658 551]Eusebio QUOTE]

Great player and a great character

a kick of the ball away from wrecking Busbys dreamin 68 too

[bundyv1]

Mario Jardel

http://www.icicom.up.pt/blog/quarto-arbitro/arquivos/jardel_mashton.jpg

Was quality in Portugal ... by the time he got to Bolton he had too many ...

http://images.jupiterimages .com/common/detail/64/11/23041164.jpg

[raZor]

was only looking at some site the other day and he was European top scorer for Porto a good few season ago

[MonTheHoops]

Did we?


He played an important role in a league title push and the extent of his admittedly dissapointing career at United is greatly exaggerated (because of his price tag mainly)

His ball to Forlan which led to a late winner against Chelsea was a MAJOR turning point in the 2003 season and his performances against the likes of Arsenal at home were immense too

Kezman et all never did anything really (Carling Cup aside)

Stevie, the "ball to Forlan which led to a late winner against Chelsea " could be played by and two bob player, Alan Smith, Luke Chadwick, whoever.

At combined fees of £28M & £15M respectively, the guy was a complete & utter flop.

[raZor]

In fairness Veron has been the standout flop of the Premierleague, although looking at the choices above Kezman does come close, destroyed defences in Holland, flopped in England and Spain.

[bundyv1]

Is Kezman still with Atletico Madrid?

[STEVIEG]

Stevie, the "ball to Forlan which led to a late winner against Chelsea " could be played by and two bob player, Alan Smith, Luke Chadwick, whoever.
.

You obviously don't remember the goal........

The league medal was earned

[raZor]

Is Kezman still with Atletico Madrid?

No think he's in Turkey not (appropriately enough) with Fenerbache or Besiktas.

[MonTheHoops]

You obviously don't remember the goal........

The league medal was earned

A goal. Wonderful. There's £26M paid off right there. Retribution for Veron.

[STEVIEG]

A goal. Wonderful. There's £26M paid off right there. Retribution for Veron.

Read in the context of my point

"He played an important role in a league title push and the extent of his admittedly dissapointing career at United is greatly exaggerated (because of his price tag mainly)

His ball to Forlan which led to a late winner against Chelsea was a MAJOR turning point in the 2003 season and his performances against the likes of Arsenal at home were immense too"

That was one example

Do you remember it?

[MonTheHoops]

Read in the context of my point

That was one example

Do you remember it?

No, not in the slightest.

But you're not saying that he justified his price tag? Over £40M?

Was he worth the money, a simple yes or no will do, no need to elaborate on whether people would kill for his medal.

[STEVIEG]

No, not in the slightest.

But you're not saying that he justified his price tag? Over £40M?

Was he worth the money, a simple yes or no will do, no need to elaborate on whether people would kill for his medal.

Read the thread and read my contributions to it

He was a flop

But the biggest?

No

And he has a medal which some of the most wanked about players would kill for, and one in which he played an important part in

[STEVIEG]

No, not in the slightest.


That was pretty obvious to me

It was an incredible pass, at a crucial point of the season in the last minute of a big game and one in which not everyone could manufacture

The frustrating thing is that he couldn't do it more, i agree with that much

[ho chi feen]

was only looking at some site the other day and he was European top scorer for Porto a good few season ago

Not just one season, many many seasons- check this out.

Senior clubs1 Years Club App (Gls)*
1995-1996 Grêmio- 73 (67) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%AAmio_Foot-Ball_Porto_Alegrense )
1996-2000 FC Porto - 125 (130) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Porto)
2000-2001 Galatasaray - 40 (48 ) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatasaray_S.K.)
2001-2003 Sporting - 49 (53) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_Clube_de_Po rtugal)



His scoring record from 1995 to 2002 was phenomenal! 298 goals in 287 games, in three different leagues.

67 goals in 73 games for Gremio; 130 in just 125 for FC Porto; 48 in just 40 for Galatasaray, and 53 in 49 for Sporting. All the more impressive given that he was suffering from deep personal and psychological problems towards the end of this spell at Porto, his entire spell at Galatasaray, and during his time at Sporting, before they finally got the better of him early in the 2002/2003. Probably the most phenomenal scoring run witnessed in European football during that time.

[MonTheHoops]

He cost over £40M in transfer fees.

I would imagine at the VERY least another £15M in wages.

He looked like a fish out of water in the majority of the games he played.

There are other who were worse, but none commanded the fees he did, nor failed at two separate clubs.

The biggest flop there. I wouldn't say "No contest" but it was an easy decision. But then, it's MY opinion.

[MonTheHoops]

That was pretty obvious to me

It was an incredible pass, at a crucial point of the season in the last minute of a big game and one in which not everyone could manufacture

The frustrating thing is that he couldn't do it more, i agree with that much

No who's having a wank? :rolleyes:

[STEVIEG]

He cost over £40M in transfer fees.

I would imagine at the VERY least another £15M in wages.

He looked like a fish out of water in the majority of the games he played.

There are other who were worse, but none commanded the fees he did, nor failed at two separate clubs.

The biggest flop there. I wouldn't say "No contest" but it was an easy decision. But then, it's MY opinion.

Fair enough

he is a high profile dissapointment, of that there is no denying

I can see why Fergie wanted him, a team winnng three on the bounce needed more in Europe, but ultimately he failed there too

[ho chi feen]

That was pretty obvious to me

It was an incredible pass, at a crucial point of the season in the last minute of a big game and one in which not everyone could manufacture

The frustrating thing is that he couldn't do it more, i agree with that much

Fucking outstanding against Deportivo (a super side at that time) in the CL quarters in 2002, and immense in the game against Arsenal at home in 2002/2003 in December- a 2-0 home win with a shockingly depleted side against a much wanked about Arsenal side (hmmm) which was the game that shook united out of their rut at the time.

Just as two examples.

Frustrating as hell in many other games.

He fared far worse at Chelski, but there were valid reasons for this- aside from Ranieri having many players that clearly weren't needed foisted upon him, there was his back injury, and the psychological trauma (from what I remember reported at the time) after an intruder broke into his home in London and tied up his family.

[STEVIEG]

Just as two examples.

I mentioned the Arsenal one earlier in the thread

There's loads more examples (Juve away etc) but a lot of people won't remember them

[MonTheHoops]

Fair enough

he is a high profile dissapointment, of that there is no denying

I can see why Fergie wanted him, a team winnng three on the bounce needed more in Europe, but ultimately he failed there too

I don't doubt that. He was class in Italy. Who wouldn't want to add a player of that calibre to the side? I'm not questioning Ferguson's acquisition of Veron, I'm questioning Veron's contribution versus the monetary outlay. You could say the same of Bogarde, but then he arrived on a free with a lot less expected of him.

[ho chi feen]

There's loads more examples (Juve away etc) but a lot of people won't remember them

Ah yeah, beating the full-strength Champions of Italy (and eventual CL finalists) 3-0 on their home patch, with a patchwork side that included a certain Mr Roy Keane at centre-half. Probably the only instance I can remember of Ferguson playing a weakened side with a League Cup game in mind!

That game has to rank up there with the Roma game and the 1997 (home) and 1999 (away) Juve games in terms of European displays in the Ferguson era.

[Loftydog]

Ah yeah, beating the full-strength Champions of Italy (and eventual CL finalists) 3-0 on their home patch, with a patchwork side that included a certain Mr Roy Keane at centre-half. Probably the only instance I can remember of Ferguson playing a weakened side with a League Cup game in mind!

That game has to rank up there with the Roma game and the 1997 (home) and 1999 (away) Juve games in terms of European displays in the Ferguson era.

And then a few days later If i am not mistaken united played away to bolton and put in one of the pisspoor performances i have ever seen. I was pissed off to see him go though

[STEVIEG]

And then a few days later If i am not mistaken united played away to bolton and put in one of the pisspoor performances i have ever seen. I was pissed off to see him go though

Think they lost to Liverpool in the Carling/Worthington/Whatever Cup final that week

It was defo a disaster of a performance whichever one it was

[bundyv1]

Massimo Maccarone

Before Boro bought him, he was meant to be the next best thing in Italian Football but he didnt really show it in england.
Not worth the 8.5Million that was spent on him.

http://www.goal.com/resultsimg/4134.jpg

Did have a couple of good games in the Uefa Cup alright but that was it ...

[xvis]

Fucking outstanding against Deportivo (a super side at that time) in the CL quarters in 2002, and immense in the game against Arsenal at home in 2002/2003 in December- a 2-0 home win with a shockingly depleted side against a much wanked about Arsenal side (hmmm) which was the game that shook united out of their rut at the time.

Just as two examples.

Frustrating as hell in many other games.

He fared far worse at Chelski, but there were valid reasons for this- aside from Ranieri having many players that clearly weren't needed foisted upon him, there was his back injury, and the psychological trauma (from what I remember reported at the time) after an intruder broke into his home in London and tied up his family.

United were fantastic in Europe in 2002, with Veron playing a little part. ..the injuries part of the game again crippling them.

Losing Beckham for both legs of the semi with that metatarsal from Beckhams last great season at United, then losing Neville for both legs again with another metatarsal, plus also losing Keane to injury for the first leg.

..even still Veron was involved in goals in both the home and away legs of those semis, he's through ball for the penalty in the first leg.


a flop, but a classy flop.

[Loftydog]

Think they lost to Liverpool in the Carling/Worthington/Whatever Cup final that week

It was defo a disaster of a performance whichever one it was

Right i wasnt entirely sure if it was a league game or the worthless cup