Rooney to AC Milan????

[Edmund Blackwater]

Now that manyoo have apparently bought Tevez, surely there's no room for a fatter, lazier version of him in the team and I can't see Rooney being happy to play the solsjaerr role. Milan have already had a 10 million bid rejcted this summer. If they up it to 13 or 14, they might just land him. Italy would probably suit Rooney, what with diving being an art form over there.

[st finnbar]

Now that manyoo have apparently bought Tevez, surely there's no room for a fatter, lazier version of him in the team and I can't see Rooney being happy to play the solsjaerr role. Milan have already had a 10 million bid rejcted this summer. If they up it to 13 or 14, they might just land him. Italy would probably suit Rooney, what with diving being an art form over there.

charity post:cool:

[KolaKubes]

Now that manyoo have apparently bought Tevez, surely there's no room for a fatter, lazier version of him in the team and I can't see Rooney being happy to play the solsjaerr role. Milan have already had a 10 million bid rejcted this summer. If they up it to 13 or 14, they might just land him. Italy would probably suit Rooney, what with diving being an art form over there.


Heh heh, don't worry, I'm sure Torres is going to make up the gap to Utd even despite Utd signing four player of this calibre.

Tell me.

Where does it hurt the most?

[st finnbar]

will jj be on later to vent his disgust:confused: :D

[Sound]

Heh heh, don't worry, I'm sure Torres is going to make up the gap to Utd even despite Utd signing four player of this calibre.

Tell me.

Where does it hurt the most?

Edmund may be wumming ye but 4 players of what calibre now? I'm sure you cant be referring to Nani or Anderson unless you've been watching Portuguese league on some mystery channel or making it your business to catch Portuguese teams in Europe to make that decision?

[Stuck in Dumpland]

Edmund may be wumming ye but 4 players of what calibre now? I'm sure you cant be referring to Nani or Anderson unless you've been watching Portuguese league on some mystery channel or making it your business to catch Portuguese teams in Europe to make that decision?

United calibre of course!! They must be the bestest of the bestest. Utd wouldn't ever sign a dud.

[de mange]

Heh heh, don't worry, I'm sure Torres is going to make up the gap to Utd even despite Utd signing four player of this calibre.

Tell me.

Where does it hurt the most?

kola

out of interest cos i couldnt be arsed checking back - were you in the glazier out, dont sell them our club under any circumstances camp?

[RICH]

United calibre of course!! They must be the bestest of the bestest. Utd wouldn't ever sign a dud.

thats a good one. kleberson, djemba djemba, forlan, taibi. every team signs duds at some stage or another

[KolaKubes]

kola

out of interest cos i couldnt be arsed checking back - were you in the glazier out, dont sell them our club under any circumstances camp?

I was in Shareholders Utd so, definitely, no to the Glazers and would still like to see them out.

The shift to not being a PLC has had some benefits but we're buying players with borrowed money.

I wouldn't be in the rabid anti-Glazer camp but it remains a poor deal for Utd.

I am happy with the sort of players that Fergie is bringing in but I wouldn't give the Glazers much credit for it.

The "doom" stories (as might have been predicted) haven't come to fruition but it's a stretch to say that a few big money purchases imply everything is just great.

We'll leave the comical Ali stuff to Naff naff and the good ship The Sinking Gunner.

[KolaKubes]

Edmund may be wumming ye but 4 players of what calibre now? I'm sure you cant be referring to Nani or Anderson unless you've been watching Portuguese league on some mystery channel or making it your business to catch Portuguese teams in Europe to make that decision?

Ah Sound, I've seen enough of them to know they're good players. I'd have my suspicions about Nani but Hargreaves is going to make a big difference for Utd this year, Tevez we all know looked the part in the Prem (at least in 2007) and Anderson looks very promising to my eye.

Mind, I still think Rossi is the best of them. Love watching the lad play and I'll be gutted if he's sold this summer.

[STEVIEG]

Worst thread ever......

[de mange]

I was in Shareholders Utd so, definitely, no to the Glazers and would still like to see them out.

The shift to not being a PLC has had some benefits but we're buying players with borrowed money.

I wouldn't be in the rabid anti-Glazer camp but it remains a poor deal for Utd.

I am happy with the sort of players that Fergie is bringing in but I wouldn't give the Glazers much credit for it.

The "doom" stories (as might have been predicted) haven't come to fruition but it's a stretch to say that a few big money purchases imply everything is just great.

We'll leave the comical Ali stuff to Naff naff and the good ship The Sinking Gunner.

fair enough, was just wondering

i couldnt give a shite about any particular prem club but i found the heckling of M+M followed by the love letters from the same people begging them not to sell to Glazier pitiful to say the least

most utd fans i know are now over the moon with their new signings and i just dont get the whole affair

either you are pissed off that utd are up to theie necks in debt and increasing it is surely a bad thing OR

you never had a problem with the whole thing because you accepted it for what it was - and on utd roll

the halfway house doesnt add up for me

[Roman Abramovich]

but Hargreaves is going to make a big difference for Utd this year.

he sure is........heh heh heh.
im counting on it.

[KolaKubes]

fair enough, was just wondering

i couldnt give a shite about any particular prem club but i found the heckling of M+M followed by the love letters from the same people begging them not to sell to Glazier pitiful to say the least

most utd fans i know are now over the moon with their new signings and i just dont get the whole affair

either you are pissed off that utd are up to theie necks in debt and increasing it is surely a bad thing OR

you never had a problem with the whole thing because you accepted it for what it was - and on utd roll

the halfway house doesnt add up for me

Well try this on for size.

My attitude immediately after the takeover was to wish the Glazers the very best of luck and hope they knew what they were doing because the alternative is horrific.

So far, in fairness, they've not put a foot wrong but, then, that's simply because they've sat back and let the football side of things to two men in Ferguson and Gill (particularly) who are running the club very well.

Winning the league last season with a squad that was full of holes and in transition was a massive bonus. I think it's already made a huge difference to the prospects of us looking back on the takeover in 20 years time as a blip rather than the start of a Leeds-style decline.

[homer jay]

Mind, I still think Rossi is the best of them. Love watching the lad play and I'll be gutted if he's sold this summer.

why would he be sold if he's the best thing since sliced bread?


unless....

[KolaKubes]

why would he be sold if he's the best thing since sliced bread?


unless....

Utd have a £7m bid on the table for a kid that has played one half season of first team football.

Utd have massive debts.

Utd have spent a lot of money this summer.

You work it out.

I'll not be the only one. Most people who've seen the lad play (reserves, Italy U21, pre-season, odd Serie A game) would similarly consider his departure a serious shadow on an otherwise excellent summer's business so far.

For starters, he looked a class apart from Nani in the U21 tournament in Holland just recently. Zola was out saying they made a catastrophic mistake not playing him in their critical opening defeat to Serbia.

Not only would Rossi be a loss to Utd, he'd be a loss to the Premiership. Anyone who's enjoyed intelligent players like Scholes, Zola, Cantona and Bergkamp over the years would like watching Rossi in full flow.

[STEVIEG]

A lot of the same people from other clubs so concerned with the Glazers impact were taking the piss here in the days United following the takeover ("USA", USA" ho ho ho)

A lot of the people were laughing when the latest reports showed that United were increasingly in debt and may not be able to buy top quality players

A lot of the money buying the league crap dissapeared last summer when Chelsea bought some of the biggest players in the World and United sold their best striker in 30 years and bought a midfield (so-called) journeyman from Spurs

United don't need to buy the league

They won it anyway

They need to improve in Europe and some of the youngsters should help them achieve that

For the record i don't think any of these additions may necessarily help them that much in the Premiership, where they have a very good squad, it's more of a longer term thing and more of a European thing

Show me too many fans here of any team who start moaning when that team buys players

My opinion on the Glazers is consistent and simple

I don't like the fact that the club is so much so in debt but my main priority is what happens on the football pitch
The long term chances of success on the pitch look good but the debt is a massive concern

One way of servicing it is to succeed on the pitch though, but really, i dunno how it is gonna turn out

[lionelhutz]

Ah Sound, I've seen enough of them to know they're good players. I'd have my suspicions about Nani but Hargreaves is going to make a big difference for Utd this year, Tevez we all know looked the part in the Prem (at least in 2007) and Anderson looks very promising to my eye.

.

but you've repeatedly admitted to not watching the spanish league, apart from barca, so at best, apart from barca, you might have caught a glimpse of half of the teams in la liga play once...... at best. how then can you make the comparison between torres and the lot utd have signed. and it begs the question, if you're not interested in watching the most powerful league in the world then how much of the portugese league can you have possibly watched. you are an absolute fuckin bluffer. you've admitted it, you skulked off the other day when caught out and now you're at it again. you can't help it i suppose, what with admittedly being ridiculed since childhood.

[de mange]

Well try this on for size.

My attitude immediately after the takeover was to wish the Glazers the very best of luck and hope they knew what they were doing because the alternative is horrific.

So far, in fairness, they've not put a foot wrong but, then, that's simply because they've sat back and let the football side of things to two men in Ferguson and Gill (particularly) who are running the club very well.

Winning the league last season with a squad that was full of holes and in transition was a massive bonus. I think it's already made a huge difference to the prospects of us looking back on the takeover in 20 years time as a blip rather than the start of a Leeds-style decline.

you had no choice but to wish them luck.. if they failed your club was gone so not really any brownie points to be earned there

the glaziers have done exactly what they said they would when they were mounting their bid to take over, so why are utd fans so happy with them now?

it just goes to show that most people really dont really give a shite once the results are right..

[Roman Abramovich]

Utd have a £7m bid on the table for a kid that has played one half season of first team football.

Utd have massive debts.

Utd have spent a lot of money this summer.

You work it out.

I'll not be the only one. Most people who've seen the lad play (reserves, Italy U21, pre-season, odd Serie A game) would similarly consider his departure a serious shadow on an otherwise excellent summer's business so far.

For starters, he looked a class apart from Nani in the U21 tournament in Holland just recently. Zola was out saying they made a catastrophic mistake not playing him in their critical opening defeat to Serbia.

Not only would Rossi be a loss to Utd, he'd be a loss to the Premiership. Anyone who's enjoyed intelligent players like Scholes, Zola, Cantona and Bergkamp over the years would like watching Rossi in full flow.

rossi 20
not a starting player for utd.

ronaldo 22
is a starting player for over two seasons.

rooney 21
is a starting player for utd for over two seasons.

Fergie - If your good enough, youll play.

to qoute a blinkered mupp
"you work it out"

[Roman Abramovich]

it just goes to show that most people really dont really give a shite once the results are right..

mainly mancs....
im torn about selling out to kronke. i think they can do it without him but that all hinged on wenger and dein, now it looks like neither.

[lionelhutz]

United don't need to buy the league

They won it anyway



ahh stop the lights now stevie kid. need we go over this again? keane, rvn, veron, rio, rooney, hargreaves and now tevez.... it goes on and on.

wheres nasty roman in all of this? ruining football etc etc. utd are the pioneers of exploiting football and more importantly exploiting football fans. everyone else is trailing behind in that regard.

anyway, the league will be very exciting next season, with utd splashing large as usual and jose pickin up freebies for once, rafa finally landing someone that can 'unlock a defence' and the arse with a young team with the bit more experience under their belt and with a lot to prove

[STEVIEG]

ahh stop the lights now stevie kid. need we go over this again? keane, rvn, veron, rio, rooney, hargreaves and now tevez.... it goes on and on.

wheres nasty roman in all of this? ruining football etc etc. utd are the pioneers of exploiting football and more importantly exploiting football fans. everyone else is trailing behind in that regard.



They won the league in 2007

I called it last year when Chelsea splurged on the Sheva and Ballack and said that money doesn't always buy the league

United bought Veron and Ruud and lost the title the following year

Like Chelsea this year

Your beloved Liverpool constantly bought after winning the league the league through the years, shit happens

I repeat that Uniteds signings this year will possible help them more in Europe

[de mange]

A lot of the same people from other clubs so concerned with the Glazers impact were taking the piss here in the days United following the takeover ("USA", USA" ho ho ho)

A lot of the people were laughing when the latest reports showed that United were increasingly in debt and may not be able to buy top quality players

A lot of the money buying the league crap dissapeared last summer when Chelsea bought some of the biggest players in the World and United sold their best striker in 30 years and bought a midfield (so-called) journeyman from Spurs

United don't need to buy the league

They won it anyway

They need to improve in Europe and some of the youngsters should help them achieve that

For the record i don't think any of these additions may necessarily help them that much in the Premiership, where they have a very good squad, it's more of a longer term thing and more of a European thing

Show me too many fans here of any team who start moaning when that team buys players

My opinion on the Glazers is consistent and simple

I don't like the fact that the club is so much so in debt but my main priority is what happens on the football pitch
The long term chances of success on the pitch look good but the debt is a massive concern

One way of servicing it is to succeed on the pitch though, but really, i dunno how it is gonna turn out

stevie.. i couldnt care less about the glaziers or utd... just observations based on what i read on here and hear from utd supporter mates

i dont think it adds up and to say "I don't like the fact that the club is so much so in debt but my main priority is what happens on the football pitch" is rubbish because the two are inextricably linked - ask leeds

for the record i think utd play great football and i was glad to see them win the league last year.. ive always enjoyed watching them and wouldnt want to see them fall apart.. having said that ronaldo makes me want to not watch them cos the fucker embodies everything i hate in football!

[KolaKubes]

but you've repeatedly admitted to not watching the spanish league, apart from barca, so at best, apart from barca, you might have caught a glimpse of half of the teams in la liga play once...... at best. how then can you make the comparison between torres and the lot utd have signed. and it begs the question, if you're not interested in watching the most powerful league in the world then how much of the portugese league can you have possibly watched. you are an absolute fuckin bluffer. you've admitted it, you skulked off the other day when caught out and now you're at it again. you can't help it i suppose, what with admittedly being ridiculed since childhood.

You are such a freak.

Seriously, you've issues like.

[Roman Abramovich]

United don't need to buy the league


rooney 30m
carrick 18.6m
vidic 7m
evra 5.5m
saha 13m
ronaldo 12m
ferdinand 30m

not exactly loose change there stevie boy!!

compared to the paupers i follow....

van persie - 1m
fabregas - 0.5m
gallas - 5m
clichy - 0.25m
adeybeyor - 5m
hleb - 8m
toure - 0.5m

[KolaKubes]

mainly mancs....
im torn about selling out to kronke. i think they can do it without him but that all hinged on wenger and dein, now it looks like neither.

Oh, I can't fucking leave that one past.

Irish Arsenal fans started following the club when Graham was in charge.

Purists me fucking hole.

[KolaKubes]

rooney 30m
carrick 18.6m
vidic 7m
evra 5.5m
saha 13m
ronaldo 12m
ferdinand 30m

not exactly loose change there stevie boy!!

compared to the paupers i follow....

van persie - 1m
fabregas - 0.5m
gallas - 5m
clichy - 0.25m
adeybeyor - 5m
hleb - 8m
toure - 0.5m

We have to win a lot of league titles to pay £18.6m or £30m for Rooney.
Your figure for Ferdinand is out of date. We settled with Leeds for considerably less than that in return for forwarding them cash at the height of their financial troubles.

I wouldn't be making too many boasts about Arsenal's poaching of players. Seedy business. As is your little African training camp.

What money Utd are worth or spend is down to money the fans put in.

[STEVIEG]

[QUOTE=de mange;1616609]stevie.. i couldnt care less about the glaziers or utd... just observations based on what i read on here and hear from utd supporter mates

i dont think it adds up and to say "I don't like the fact that the club is so much so in debt but my main priority is what happens on the football pitch" is rubbish because the two are inextricably linked - ask leeds

/QUOTE]

Of course they are linked

it's different with supporters here

A lot of the real problems with the Glazers and the likes don't affect supporters here, who don't go to that many matches, (some probably have never even went to one)

In England it is obviously different as fans are being priced out of going to see Arsenal, United and Chelsea or whoever every week

This is one of the main reasons why it can be and IS a bad thing

Football is heading down a bad path and everyone realises it

It has been for a long time

It is far cheaper to go to Old Trafford than the Emirates or Stamford Bridge but it is getting more expensive and the regular salt-of-the-earth fans are being priced out

I have no sympathy with Irish fans in this regard as many can go and support Cork City if they so wish (as you know, City could do with the extra numbers)

I personally would never go wanking on about the glazers or saying that it is great that they are here

But to be honest, it was the same in the 90s and the ownership then had many of the same characteristics

[Stuck in Dumpland]

Oh, I can't fucking leave that one past.

Irish Arsenal fans started following the club when Graham was in charge.

Purists me fucking hole.

What are you on about? He's on about thinking they can succeed without outside money...there's nothing about the purity of football and the reasons why he started following them

[STEVIEG]

rooney 30m
carrick 18.6m
vidic 7m
evra 5.5m
saha 13m
ronaldo 12m
ferdinand 30m

not exactly loose change there stevie boy!!

compared to the paupers i follow....

van persie - 1m
fabregas - 0.5m
gallas - 5m
clichy - 0.25m
adeybeyor - 5m
hleb - 8m
toure - 0.5m

Yup, but Arsenal didn't win the league............

[Stuck in Dumpland]

We have to win a lot of league titles to pay £18.6m or £30m for Rooney.
Your figure for Ferdinand is out of date. We settled with Leeds for considerably less than that in return for forwarding them cash at the height of their financial troubles.

I wouldn't be making too many boasts about Arsenal's poaching of players. Seedy business. As is your little African training camp.

What money Utd are worth or spend is down to money the fans put in.

Surely taking advantage of a club in financial difficulty is seedy? Asset stripping you could call it, a bit like the worries Utd fans had in relation to Glazier at first if i remember correctly.

Naff you left out Rosicky, Reyes and possibly a few more there. I know ye've sold players for profit, but the 2 above alone surely cost above £15m.

[homer jay]

Utd have a £7m bid on the table for a kid that has played one half season of first team football.

Utd have massive debts.

Utd have spent a lot of money this summer.

You work it out.

I'll not be the only one. Most people who've seen the lad play (reserves, Italy U21, pre-season, odd Serie A game) would similarly consider his departure a serious shadow on an otherwise excellent summer's business so far.

For starters, he looked a class apart from Nani in the U21 tournament in Holland just recently. Zola was out saying they made a catastrophic mistake not playing him in their critical opening defeat to Serbia.

Not only would Rossi be a loss to Utd, he'd be a loss to the Premiership. Anyone who's enjoyed intelligent players like Scholes, Zola, Cantona and Bergkamp over the years would like watching Rossi in full flow.

if he was good enough to make the team he'd be in it.

A lot of the same people from other clubs so concerned with the Glazers impact were taking the piss here in the days United following the takeover ("USA", USA" ho ho ho)

A lot of the people were laughing when the latest reports showed that United were increasingly in debt and may not be able to buy top quality players

A lot of the money buying the league crap dissapeared last summer when Chelsea bought some of the biggest players in the World and United sold their best striker in 30 years and bought a midfield (so-called) journeyman from Spurs

United don't need to buy the league

They won it anyway

They need to improve in Europe and some of the youngsters should help them achieve that

For the record i don't think any of these additions may necessarily help them that much in the Premiership, where they have a very good squad, it's more of a longer term thing and more of a European thing

Show me too many fans here of any team who start moaning when that team buys players

My opinion on the Glazers is consistent and simple

I don't like the fact that the club is so much so in debt but my main priority is what happens on the football pitch
The long term chances of success on the pitch look good but the debt is a massive concern

One way of servicing it is to succeed on the pitch though, but really, i dunno how it is gonna turn out

so they're looking to buy the CL now is it? onwards and upwards.

[homer jay]

Yup, but Arsenal didn't win the league............

utd did, after spending a shit load on the above players. what does this tell you?

[Roman Abramovich]

man utd v arsenal at old trafford


Tomasz Kuszczak - loan
Wes Brown - free
Mikael Silvestre - 4m
Patrice Evra (sub) - 5.5m
Rio Ferdinand - 30m
Gary Neville - free
John O`Shea - free
Darren Fletcher - free
Cristiano Ronaldo - 12m
Paul Scholes - free
Michael Carrick (sub) - 18.5m
Wayne Rooney - 30m
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer (sub) - cant find figure
Louis Saha - 12m


Jens Lehmann - 2m
Emmanuel Eboue - .5m
Kolo Toure - .5m
Johan Djourou - .5m
William Gallas - 5m
Gilberto - 4.5m
Francesc Fabregas - .5m
Fredrik Ljungberg - 2.5m
Alexander Hleb - 8m
Julio Baptista (sub) - loan
Tomas Rosicky - 6.5m
Emmanuel Adebayor - 3m
Mathieu Flamini (sub) - .5m




Man utd - 112m team
Arsenal - 34m team

Arsenal paid the same money for all players involved in that game that man utd paid for silvestre and ferdinand. Shocking to even attempt to say they havent bought a title.

[Roman Abramovich]

Yup, but Arsenal didn't win the league............

it was you made the comment about buying a league.

[de mange]

mainly mancs....
im torn about selling out to kronke. i think they can do it without him but that all hinged on wenger and dein, now it looks like neither.

yeah.. i reckon its clear now that to compete you need the billionaire backing you.. look at the signings utd, chelsea, barcelona, real, milan etc have all made over the last few years

youth setups are fast becoming a thing of the past for the top clubs imo.. its pointless when the opposing teams have no real limit on their spending and will just buy the player they need when they need him. the reality is that the outstanding youngsters that come through smaller clubs ranks are being snatched at 17-19 by the bigger clubs with the bigger pot.. look at the signings liverpool have made other than torres this summer.. its half an under 18 team.. but when pool need a new striker they go buy torres for 20m

if i were a prem fan i would sell the club to one of these lads without thinking twice- only thing is, what happens when they all have sugardaddies and youre still finishing 7th in 10 years because everyone has spent in the same proportions as they do now- just on a larger scale?

[STEVIEG]

By the way, there is a very different tone being expressed here this morning than to the bumslapping of when it was announced a few months ago that Gillet and Hicks could be ploughing 100 million into their new club......

Tevez (who let's remember is still loosely a West Ham player and who hasn't signed for United) is suddenly a mercenary according to the admittedly lessor lights of the forum (Edmund and co) while Mascherano is undoubtedly some kind of moral guardian of the people:)

[Roman Abramovich]

Surely taking advantage of a club in financial difficulty is seedy? Asset stripping you could call it, a bit like the worries Utd fans had in relation to Glazier at first if i remember correctly.

Naff you left out Rosicky, Reyes and possibly a few more there. I know ye've sold players for profit, but the 2 above alone surely cost above £15m.

im comparing arsenals rival player to utds....
showing a comparison that arsenal payed x for there main centre back, utd then went and paid y....

[STEVIEG]

utd did, after spending a shit load on the above players. what does this tell you?

The bones of which were at the team being laughed at last summer by most posters here

That Fergie is a very good manager

[Roman Abramovich]

yeah.. i reckon its clear now that to compete you need the billionaire backing you.. look at the signings utd, chelsea, barcelona, real, milan etc have all made over the last few years

youth setups are fast becoming a thing of the past for the top clubs imo.. its pointless when the opposing teams have no real limit on their spending and will just buy the player they need when they need him. the reality is that the outstanding youngsters that come through smaller clubs ranks are being snatched at 17-19 by the bigger clubs with the bigger pot.. look at the signings liverpool have made other than torres this summer.. its half an under 18 team.. but when pool need a new striker they go buy torres for 20m

if i were a prem fan i would sell the club to one of these lads without thinking twice- only thing is, what happens when they all have sugardaddies and youre still finishing 7th in 10 years because everyone has spent in the same proportions as they do now- just on a larger scale?

revisit this in may. If arsenal havent ballooned themselves back onto the world stage with a bang i agree with you and they may as well sell out.

[STEVIEG]

if he was good enough to make the team he'd be in it.



so they're looking to buy the CL now is it? onwards and upwards.

Were you not very happy with the possible signings from the U.S. takover recently?

[STEVIEG]

man utd v arsenal at old trafford




And Arsenal won the game

and the return

Money doesn't buy victories

[Roman Abramovich]

The bones of which were at the team being laughed at last summer by most posters here

That Fergie is a very good manager

that he is.....
show me who was laughing at them?

i remember this board dismissing arsenal a few seasons ago when they signed lehmann.....pure pube style postings on how they were fucked etc.
this is the year.....I dont think youll find me saying last season they would win the league. Didnt think theyd be too far off as much as they were but emirates fla'd them changing over styles.

had a wind up with ya mid way through saying id fancy them to claw back the 14 pts but this season is the one. Make or break.

[Roman Abramovich]

And Arsenal won the game

and the return

Money doesn't buy victories

it does across a whole season as proved by yere good selves.

[STEVIEG]

that he is.....
show me who was laughing at them?

i remember this board dismissing arsenal a few seasons ago when they signed lehmann.....pure pube style postings on how they were fucked etc.
this is the year.....I dont think youll find me saying last season they would win the league. Didnt think theyd be too far off as much as they were but emirates fla'd them changing over styles.

had a wind up with ya mid way through saying id fancy them to claw back the 14 pts but this season is the one. Make or break.

I couldn't be arsed and i'm not talking about you at all but the general consensus here last summer and especially at the end of 2005 and start of 2006 was that United were a team in decline

The addition of Evra and Vidic and the PIG didn't change this and the purchase of Carrick certainly didn't

Hindsight is a fucking wonderful thing


the threads are open

Go back and check out the multiple wankathons at the end of 2005 if you wanna see some real ridiculing and ultimately bad posting regarding United

[homer jay]

The bones of which were at the team being laughed at last summer by most posters here
irrelevant

That Fergie is a very good manager

part of the story, yes, i'll give you that. but we've been thru all that before.

Were you not very happy with the possible signings from the U.S. takover recently?

again irrelevant.

dodger

[STEVIEG]

it does across a whole season as proved by yere good selves.

that's weird, cause some of these expensive players, (Rio, Ronaldo, Rooney) are the same ones ridiculed here many times

maybe they were just to good......

[STEVIEG]

again irrelevant.

dodger

zzzzzzzzzzzz

An SFI application is in the post

[STEVIEG]

i remember this board dismissing arsenal a few seasons ago

People are doing now with the loss of Henry

Injuries aside, His body language and thoughts were elsewhere last year IMO


I think it will be a good thing for Arsenal

[Lamps]

Haven't read the thread past page 1 but can i add that Kola, who according to my calculations is about a year younger than me, has openly admitted to starting to follow United in 1992 and was a former Red Issue forumite. Its all there in black and white.
Just a heads up for some of the newer members.


That is all.

[RonnyB]

On the Rossi thing in comparison to Rooney and Ronaldo.

- Ron & Roon are both hefty young fellas. Rooney is one of the strongest players around and Ronaldo is over 6 ft (makes me cringe even more then when he acts like a pussy)

- Both Rooney and Ronaldo cost huge fees for teenagers. Rossi cost little or nothing. As a result Fergie was under pressure to play the other 2.

- If Rossi were English I'd wager he'd cost more to buy than Darren Bent. I know its a big if but the fact that all the interest in him is from Italy means the money being touted is smaller than the Premiership norm.

- Rooney and Rossi both play a similar role. That for me is the major sticking point for Rossi's lack of oppertunities.

On the spending front yes United have spent loads more than Arsenal. However English players and those who are'nt but are proven in the Prem (ie Saha at Fulham) always cost more than those who are'nt.

Also the one unproven foreigner that Fergie signed (Ronaldo) for huge money is now worth 4 times what was paid for him.

[STEVIEG]

FAO

Fans who think buying players for the club they support is a bad thing

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=896 91&highlight=liverpool+ takeover

[Lamps]

FAO

Fans who think buying players for the club they support is a bad thing

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=896 91&highlight=liverpool+ takeover

i'd say you're counting down the days to the premiership starting Steven.

[STEVIEG]

i'd say you're counting down the days to the premiership starting Steven.

Not at all to be honest

Delighted with the break too much football last season i'm enjoying the summer without it

And the tedious United related arguments that go with it

I miss you too though Lamps

[homer jay]

zzzzzzzzzzzz

An SFI application is in the post

c'mon steve, you were changing the subject.

[Lamps]

c'mon steve, you were changing the subject.

to the SFI,

obesessed.

He'd be more in his line giving a shit about the rebels or even the rebel army

[Edmund Blackwater]

Tevez ...is suddenly a mercenary according to the admittedly lessor lights of the forum (Edmund and co) while Mascherano is undoubtedly some kind of moral guardian of the people:)

Show me where I said that?

[KolaKubes]

- Rooney and Rossi both play a similar role. That for me is the major sticking point for Rossi's lack of oppertunities.

I know what you're driving at but I disagree.

I think Rooney is a striker in the Hughes or Ferdinand mould. Rossi is more like a Zola or a Signori.

The real question is why we're going with Tevez at all. Now Rooney and Tevez are very very similar sorts of players. Strikes me as a bit FM2007. Not sure it'll work well in practice if Ferguson pulls it off.

Haven't read the thread past page 1 but can i add that Kola, who according to my calculations is about a year younger than me, has openly admitted to starting to follow United in 1992 and was a former Red Issue forumite. Its all there in black and white.
Just a heads up for some of the newer members.


That is all.

Though I no longer post on RI due to a change in admin on there, your use of that fact as an insult is amusing. You're talking about the matchgoing red, the sort that traipses half-way across Britain to see Utd play an away in Portsmouth mid-week.

I know they're horribly working class and this possibly offends your Nemo boy sensibilities but it's bad form to be taking a pop at them nonetheless.

[Roman Abramovich]

that's weird, cause some of these expensive players, (Rio, Ronaldo, Rooney) are the same ones ridiculed here many times

maybe they were just to good......
show me once where i have ridiculed rooney and rio.
ronaldo? thats a different story. Ill take that head shave bet with him no problem.

[Roman Abramovich]

People are doing now with the loss of Henry

Injuries aside, His body language and thoughts were elsewhere last year IMO


I think it will be a good thing for Arsenal

a big loss yes?
its like people claiming ruud wasnt a loss.
Yes he was. Imagine what ye would have achieved with ruud.
Same can be said with henry.

Come end of the season people will be saying henry was no loss......but imagine what we would achieve with him.

Alot of people said ruud was in decline. Didnt look like that to me this season. In fact i think its the best ive ever seen him play. 2nd to the year fergie shafted him

[Roman Abramovich]

On the Rossi thing in comparison to Rooney and Ronaldo.

- Ron & Roon are both hefty young fellas. Rooney is one of the strongest players around and Ronaldo is over 6 ft (makes me cringe even more then when he acts like a pussy)

- Both Rooney and Ronaldo cost huge fees for teenagers. Rossi cost little or nothing. As a result Fergie was under pressure to play the other 2.

- If Rossi were English I'd wager he'd cost more to buy than Darren Bent. I know its a big if but the fact that all the interest in him is from Italy means the money being touted is smaller than the Premiership norm.

- Rooney and Rossi both play a similar role. That for me is the major sticking point for Rossi's lack of oppertunities.

On the spending front yes United have spent loads more than Arsenal. However English players and those who are'nt but are proven in the Prem (ie Saha at Fulham) always cost more than those who are'nt.

Also the one unproven foreigner that Fergie signed (Ronaldo) for huge money is now worth 4 times what was paid for him.

if your good enough fergie will play ya.

[KolaKubes]

a big loss yes?
its like people claiming ruud wasnt a loss.
Yes he was. Imagine what ye would have achieved with ruud.
Same can be said with henry.

Come end of the season people will be saying henry was no loss......but imagine what we would achieve with him.

Alot of people said ruud was in decline. Didnt look like that to me this season. In fact i think its the best ive ever seen him play. 2nd to the year fergie shafted him

Utd were better when Ruud was dropped in 05/06. They pushed on and played much better football this year without him. You don't watch much Utd so I presume you might not have noticed this as much as us Utd fans. I can't think of many Utd fans wishing we'd Ruud back.

[RonnyB]

Alot of people said ruud was in decline. Didnt look like that to me this season. In fact i think its the best ive ever seen him play. 2nd to the year fergie shafted him

So he was better the year he scored 21 goals than the years he scored 44 & 36 for the team?

FFS

[Roman Abramovich]

Utd were better when Ruud was dropped in 05/06. They pushed on and played much better football this year without him. You don't watch much Utd so I presume you might not have noticed this as much as us Utd fans. I can't think of many Utd fans wishing we'd Ruud back.

thats cause yere mancs and havent a clue.
"heinze, best left back in the world"

1 year later

"evra, best left back in the world"

"beckham best player in the world"

"glad fergie sold him hes crap"

ye chop and change like the weather.
Unlike you bum slapper i do watch football. Refused to watch utd in depth this season because of a one cristiano ronaldo. A disgrace to football.

Ruud was the best goal scorer ye ever had. In his final year he was playing great team football. Fergie shafted him. He went to real and helped a pathetic team in comparison to barca win the league scoring 25 goals, equaling a record set by hugo sanchez for consecitive goals in consec games.....A record your rauls, ronaldos, ronaldinhosand eto havent come close to equaling.

[Roman Abramovich]

So he was better the year he scored 21 goals than the years he scored 44 & 36 for the team?

FFS

read my views on ruuds final season.
goals mean nothing in this respect.

[KolaKubes]

thats cause yere mancs and havent a clue.
"heinze, best left back in the world"

1 year later

"evra, best left back in the world"

"beckham best player in the world"

"glad fergie sold him hes crap"

ye chop and change like the weather.
Unlike you bum slapper i do watch football. Refused to watch utd in depth this season because of a one cristiano ronaldo. A disgrace to football.

Ruud was the best goal scorer ye ever had. In his final year he was playing great team football. Fergie shafted him. He went to real and helped a pathetic team in comparison to barca win the league scoring 25 goals, equaling a record set by hugo sanchez for consecitive goals in consec games.....A record your rauls, ronaldos, ronaldinhosand eto havent come close to equaling.

Ehm, I watch a lot of football. Granted, I watch an awful lot of Utd and the rest is more a passing interest. Fair enough, you don't like Ronaldo (Eboue, Cole?!!!) but if you haven't watched much of Utd this year, how can you say we'd have been much better with that lazy article up front?

[RonnyB]

thats cause yere mancs and havent a clue.
"heinze, best left back in the world"

1 year later

"evra, best left back in the world"

"beckham best player in the world"

"glad fergie sold him hes crap"

ye chop and change like the weather.
Unlike you bum slapper i do watch football. Refused to watch utd in depth this season because of a one cristiano ronaldo. A disgrace to football.

Ruud was the best goal scorer ye ever had. In his final year he was playing great team football. Fergie shafted him. He went to real and helped a pathetic team in comparison to barca win the league scoring 25 goals, equaling a record set by hugo sanchez for consecitive goals in consec games.....A record your rauls, ronaldos, ronaldinhosand eto havent come close to equaling.

On what grounds? Diving? Yet you watched Arsenal with the likes of Pires and even defended Henry. All while having the gaul to criticise United.

Hypocrite.

And before you say it I find his diving shameful. But I realise its present in the game.

[Roman Abramovich]

Ehm, I watch a lot of football. Granted, I watch an awful lot of Utd and the rest is more a passing interest. Fair enough, you don't like Ronaldo (Eboue, Cole?!!!) but if you haven't watched much of Utd this year, how can you say we'd have been much better with that lazy article up front?

see how it feels now....
your views on the portugese players, la liga.....
your a bluffer.

[Roman Abramovich]

On what grounds? Diving? Yet you watched Arsenal with the likes of Pires and even defended Henry. All while having the gaul to criticise United.

Hypocrite.

And before you say it I find his diving shameful. But I realise its present in the game.

big difference between defending henry on one challenge and despising ronaldos guaranteed one dive a game campaign started by rahsers. And if you recall and im sure many board members on here will.....when pires was at his peak with an unseen amount of goals and assists from a wide man (bear in mind how often ronaldo played up front this season) i despised him and said arsenal would be better off with out him. They didnt need that.

[RonnyB]

read my views on ruuds final season.
goals mean nothing in this respect.

So for a striker to score half the goals he has previously but to get involved a bit more in team play means he's worth more to the side?

Why in his last season did United play better football and kill games off earlier once he was dropped if he was playing so well?

Also I'd take your views on United with a pinch of salt when you barely watch them cos of Ronaldo all while saying we shouldnt comment on Arsenal cos of our United obsession.

[Edmund Blackwater]

On what grounds? Diving? Yet you watched Arsenal with the likes of Pires and even defended Henry. All while having the gaul to criticise United.

Hypocrite.

And before you say it I find his diving shameful. But I realise its present in the game.
Are you calling Henry a diver?
get up the yard, ye bollox.

[homer jay]

Are you calling Henry a diver?
get up the yard, ye bollox.

henry is a diver

fact

[KolaKubes]

Come back RI, all is forgiven.

[Roman Abramovich]

Why in his last season did United play better football and kill games off earlier once he was dropped if he was playing so well?
.

proof?

[Roman Abramovich]

So for a striker to score half the goals he has previously but to get involved a bit more in team play means he's worth more to the side?

Why in his last season did United play better football and kill games off earlier once he was dropped if he was playing so well?

Also I'd take your views on United with a pinch of salt when you barely watch them cos of Ronaldo all while saying we shouldnt comment on Arsenal cos of our United obsession.

views on utd "season just gone"....
still watched them on match of the day, read on sunday papers how they got on.
just didnt watch them on the sky interactive.
reading mostly, then chelsea, and so on. utd would have been my least watched next to wigan

saw all their champions league games though

[Roman Abramovich]

henry is a diver

fact

gerrard is a more frequent one.

fact.

[homer jay]

gerrard is a more frequent one.

fact.

oh ffs

[Roman Abramovich]

oh ffs

and wait till you see fernadoe up front on his own.......

[RonnyB]

proof?

2nd half of the 2005/2006 season without checking the net this is what pops up in my head.

Newcastle at home. 2-0 win. Game over after 12 mins. Rooney getting both goals. Saha scaring the living shit out of the defence. In all honesty it should have been 10.

B'ham at home. Great football. 3-0 win again sown up early.

Ruud comes back into the team to score the winner at home to West Ham. 1-0 final score.

2-1 away win at West Brom with Saha scoring twice.

1-0 down to Wigan, Ruud comes on. His 1st chance is scuffed so badly it counts as a cross to Ronaldo. United win 2-1 after Saha creates an og.

2-0 win at home to Arsenal. Could have been more. Rooney was brilliant.

4-0 destruction of Charlton when Ruud goes home before kick off with Rossi in ahead of him.

Ruud plays at Chelsea. United lose 3-0.

Carling Cup final. Saha Rooney and Ronaldo all score in an excellent performance. Ruud doesnt play.

[lionelhutz]

The bones of which were at the team being laughed at last summer by most posters here



got to put meat on the bones and fergie goes for prime fillet. the manc fans ranting and raving about chelski over the past couple years need to look closer to home. this latest splurge is only an example of what utd have been doing for the last 15 years. liverpool have spent a lot of money, as have newcastle, middlesborough, west ham etc. but you cannot compare teams trying to rebuild from scratch in order to be competitive longterm to the kind of spending utd are 'guilty' of. i have no problem with it, the top teams should become more competitve because of it, but its the hyopocritical utd fans who spat the dummy and gave out yards about the glazers and ambramovic i cannot stand.

[jimmy magee]

nonsense.....Rooney' s going nowhere..FACT

[lionelhutz]

And Arsenal won the game

and the return

Money doesn't buy victories

stevie, boiling your point down to narrow examples like this is pubes way of thinking. utd didn't win the league the season they bought rvn? a cheaper arsenal team did the double over a more expensive utd team in a single season. are you trying to say arsenal or liverpool are on an even playing field with utd? seriously?

as i said, i don't mind utd's spending but its the delusions of fans that the team is still winning with the bones of that great youth side is typical

[lionelhutz]

but if you haven't watched much of Utd this year, how can you say we'd have been much better with that lazy article up front?

touche'

[STEVIEG]

FAO Lionel

Look at he amount of players Liverpool have bought over the last 5 or even 10 years

This period of transition is an embarssing argument


They were European Champions two years ago FFS!

Sure, they could have bought better but they haven't been at this massive disadvantage that those who make excuses for them constantly harp on about

A lot of the guys who United paid big money for have been constantly ridiculed by fans of other teams here

And you won't find me moaning about Chelsea spending all the time, as i don't think that it is the best way to run a football club

Especially buying old players for massive bucks

Fergie at least buys the big money players young and generally gets a return on his investment

[Edmund Blackwater]

FAO Lionel

Look at he amount of players Liverpool have bought over the last 5 or even 10 years

This period of transition is an embarssing argument


They were European Champions two years ago FFS!

Sure, they could have bought better but they haven't been at this massive disadvantage that those who make excuses for them constantly harp on about

A lot of the guys who United paid big money for have been constantly ridiculed by fans of other teams here

And you won't find me moaning about Chelsea spending all the time, as i don't think that it is the best way to run a football club

Especially buying old players for massive bucks

Fergie at least buys the big money players young and generally gets a return on his investment
Veron.
8)

[STEVIEG]

Veron.
8)

What age was he when he signed for United?

In his prime, and defo not old

They got a good fee back for him too all things considered

And as poor as he was for the Reds, he still walked away with a league title

A lot of good players would love to have got one of them

[Lamps]

touche'

lionel lad, if you want a laugh take a look at the Cork-Kerry thread.

Kola taking a hammering of la liga proportions

[Roman Abramovich]

the pubes and sfi reaction on final day of watching the liga...

http://www.jacobfruitfield. com/img/products/liga_brand_main.jpg

[Lamps]

don't give up the day job

[lionelhutz]

FAO Lionel

Look at he amount of players Liverpool have bought over the last 5 or even 10 years

This period of transition is an embarssing argument


They were European Champions two years ago FFS!

Sure, they could have bought better but they haven't been at this massive disadvantage that those who make excuses for them constantly harp on about

A lot of the guys who United paid big money for have been constantly ridiculed by fans of other teams here

And you won't find me moaning about Chelsea spending all the time, as i don't think that it is the best way to run a football club

Especially buying old players for massive bucks

Fergie at least buys the big money players young and generally gets a return on his investment

stevie, its simple. utd have priced pretty much every team out of the market for the 'top' players, apart from chelski in recent years and when that happened most manc fans went ballistic. whether these guys turn out to be top players is largely irrelevant. utd can go again for another. the fact that some of these players are laughed at reinforces the point really. they are primarily laughed at because of the huge fees paid. utd can get away with it if these guys don't succeed, other clubs cannot get away with taking such a gamble. look at leeds ffs, they tried to compete and look at them now. the huge gulf in spending power is there for all to see apart from lads like yourself.

[ho chi feen]

i remember this board dismissing arsenal a few seasons ago when they signed lehmann.....pure pube style postings on how they were fucked etc.
this is the year.....

Was I?

[ho chi feen]

Kola, who according to my calculations is about a year younger than me, has openly admitted to starting to follow United in 1992...

So you're saying he beat the Bandwagoners?

[ho chi feen]

On what grounds? Diving? Yet you watched Arsenal with the likes of Pires and even defended Henry. All while having the gaul to criticise United.

Hypocrite.

And before you say it I find his diving shameful. But I realise its present in the game.

http://embedded.eecs.berkel ey.edu/Alumni/mehrotra/images/asterix.jpg

[ho chi feen]

So for a striker to score half the goals he has previously but to get involved a bit more in team play means he's worth more to the side?

I wouldn't even give this assertion that he suddenly became more involved in team play the time of day. Ruud his Ruud. He was never as removed from the team game as Naff used to make out before, just as he never became more involved in his last season, as claimed by Naff. It's a highly convenient straw-man. Nothing more.

[Langer Dan]

Now that manyoo have apparently bought Tevez, surely there's no room for a fatter, lazier version of him in the team and I can't see Rooney being happy to play the solsjaerr role. Milan have already had a 10 million bid rejcted this summer. If they up it to 13 or 14, they might just land him. Italy would probably suit Rooney, what with diving being an art form over there.

em? the Pie eating, granny shagging, One man Ricky Hatton fanclub adapting to life amongst the urbane, sophisticated Milanese???

Theres more chance of em signing Alf Garnett!!!:)

[Roman Abramovich]

I wouldn't even give this assertion that he suddenly became more involved in team play the time of day. Ruud his Ruud. He was never as removed from the team game as Naff used to make out before, just as he never became more involved in his last season, as claimed by Naff. It's a highly convenient straw-man. Nothing more.

he had more assists that season than 01/02, 03/04, 04/05 combined.
oh dear!!!
he also in his final year had more assists than paul scholes one of yere best play makers. even saha, his rival foward.

[KolaKubes]

So you're saying he beat the Bandwagoners?

It was after the World Cup in 1990 and because I liked Bryan Robson.

[FL4ZGN]

It was after the World Cup in 1990 and because I liked Bryan Robson.

What age are you?

I'm 31 and had been to Old Trafford six times before the 1990 world cup.

Lightweight.

[Roman Abramovich]

What age are you?

I'm 31 and had been to Old Trafford six times before the 1990 world cup.

Lightweight.

leave him off....imagine the first signs of ya going gay was liking bryan robson.

my very first jersey from arsenal hangs in my wardrobe and is from the 86/87 season.

[KolaKubes]

I didn't follow soccer at all until then.

Strictly GAA.

Then I saw the light.

[Professor Piehead]

What age are you?

I'm 31 and had been to Old Trafford six times before the 1990 world cup.

Lightweight.

I had an Anfield season ticket for over ten years, you are the lightweight.;)

[FL4ZGN]

leave him off....imagine the first signs of ya going gay was liking bryan robson.

my very first jersey from arsenal hangs in my wardrobe and is from the 86/87 season.

I watched United Vs Villa at Old Trafford in November 1986.

[ho chi feen]

he had more assists that season than 01/02, 03/04, 04/05 combined.
oh dear!!!
he also in his final year had more assists than paul scholes one of yere best play makers. even saha, his rival foward.

Show us the figures, Naff Naff. Doesn't prove a whole lot, but show us 'em.

More assists than Scholes and Saha? Would this be the same Scholes who missed half the season, and the same Saha who only started getting his game mid-Feb|?

Jaysus, assists, assists, assists... I'm starting to sound like a bloody yank.

[kevinbitzz]

I had an Anfield season ticket for over ten years, you are the lightweight.;)

when was that?

[Lamps]

It was after the World Cup in 1990 and because I liked Bryan Robson.

LIAR

Ah, like Naff and his "I started following Arsenal back in the dark times"?

Poor old Utd hadn't won a league title in 25 years when I started following them.

They did have a ECWC though.

They won this is 91, if you started in 1990, then they didn't.

EXPOSED again

[Roman Abramovich]

Show us the figures, Naff Naff. Doesn't prove a whole lot, but show us 'em.

More assists than Scholes and Saha? Would this be the same Scholes who missed half the season, and the same Saha who only started getting his game mid-Feb|?

Jaysus, assists, assists, assists... I'm starting to sound like a bloody yank.

the figures are irrelevant. fact is he has. Show you the figures so you can dismiss them? As i said....he had more assists in his final season, when he wasnt playing as much as previous seasons than 3 of his previous seasons combined.

You make a statement saying its not true.........If he didnt become more of a team player how did he beat 3 seasons of assists in one?

[KolaKubes]

LIAR

They won this is 91, if you started in 1990, then they didn't.

EXPOSED again

You're right actually. It was the season after Arsenal won the league.

You'll excuse me if I haven't much recollection, I was only nominally a Utd supporter. Couldn't name more than two or three players until 1992. Got into it very rapidly after that but before then it was GAA all the way and rabidly so.

Now, I've a more important question for such a wise and astute individual as yourself.

Could you please tell me why I've wasted 5 minutes working that one out to justify myself to some programme-collecting sports dork on the INTERNET?

Seriously, perhaps you could list a suitable collection of topics on which I may comment on your Sports Forum?

I presume I'm allowed comment on Utd topics? I'd be happy enough with that frankly.

[RonnyB]

the figures are irrelevant. fact is he has. Show you the figures so you can dismiss them? As i said....he had more assists in his final season, when he wasnt playing as much as previous seasons than 3 of his previous seasons combined.

You make a statement saying its not true.........If he didnt become more of a team player how did he beat 3 seasons of assists in one?

This coming from the fella looking for proof to every arguement and opinion that goes against his.

[Edmund Blackwater]

Pubes is one of the very first products of the manyoo marketing system.
Clueless in a ll areas an facets of the game, but still thinks he knows enough to talk down to real supporters.

[KolaKubes]

Pubes is one of the very first products of the manyoo marketing system.
Clueless in a ll areas an facets of the game, but still thinks he knows enough to talk down to real supporters.

That's just bollocks.

Especially coming from any of the Liverpool fans, all of whom started following by far the most successful English side of the time.

I hold my own talking football with anyone.

[Edmund Blackwater]

That's just bollocks.

Especially coming from any of the Liverpool fans, all of whom started following by far the most successful English side of the time.

I hold my own talking football with anyone.
You can't even get that one right.

[lionelhutz]

This coming from the fella looking for proof to every arguement and opinion that goes against his.

proove it.

[lionelhutz]

.

I hold my own talking football with anyone.

are you retarded? seriously.

[Roman Abramovich]

This coming from the fella looking for proof to every arguement and opinion that goes against his.

i know what ho-chi is like. the amount of assists are irrelevant in this case. The argument is was he more of a team player or not. and if in his last season with a fraction of games compared to a combined amount of games in 3 seasons he had more assists would you accept that maybe he was playing a team game more?

Ho-chi can easily find the figures. he knows where i look. He dismisses what most honest man utd fans would accept that ruud was playing good team football.

[KolaKubes]

i know what ho-chi is like. the amount of assists are irrelevant in this case. The argument is was he more of a team player or not. and if in his last season with a fraction of games compared to a combined amount of games in 3 seasons he had more assists would you accept that maybe he was playing a team game more?

Ho-chi can easily find the figures. he knows where i look. He dismisses what most honest man utd fans would accept that ruud was playing good team football.

I actually spotted this one in passing yesterday and didn't bother commenting.

You were being extremely disingenuous in support of your point. Saying that Ruud had more assists some season wasn't it?

Ruud was absolutely pathetic for assists throughout his time at Utd.

Even his biggest loyalist amongst Utd fans wouldn't suggest otherwise.

You have to understand that all of Utd's forward play went through Ruud.

If the man wasn't laying on goals for his teammates it meant that many moves floundered on Ruud unless he put the ball in the back of the net himself. Totally scuppered the sort of fluid attacking football that Utd wanted to play and which they showed glimpses of pulling off in spectacular fashion this season past.

[Roman Abramovich]

I actually spotted this one in passing yesterday and didn't bother commenting.

You were being extremely disingenuous in support of your point. Saying that Ruud had more assists some season wasn't it?

Ruud was absolutely pathetic for assists throughout his time at Utd.

Even his biggest loyalist amongst Utd fans wouldn't suggest otherwise.

You have to understand that all of Utd's forward play went through Ruud.

If the man wasn't laying on goals for his teammates it meant that many moves floundered on Ruud unless he put the ball in the back of the net himself. Totally scuppered the sort of fluid attacking football that Utd wanted to play and which they showed glimpses of pulling off in spectacular fashion this season past.

wow

[Lamps]

Couldn't name more than two or three players until 1992.

jesus christ

[Langer Dan]

I actually spotted this one in passing yesterday and didn't bother commenting.

You were being extremely disingenuous in support of your point. Saying that Ruud had more assists some season wasn't it?

Ruud was absolutely pathetic for assists throughout his time at Utd.

Even his biggest loyalist amongst Utd fans wouldn't suggest otherwise.

You have to understand that all of Utd's forward play went through Ruud.

If the man wasn't laying on goals for his teammates it meant that many moves floundered on Ruud unless he put the ball in the back of the net himself. Totally scuppered the sort of fluid attacking football that Utd wanted to play and which they showed glimpses of pulling off in spectacular fashion this season past.

Completely typical of Naff's particular brand of petty petty partisanship.

Ruud suddenly became a fantastic player once he left Old Trafford.

For more of the same see any of Naff'ss comments on Beckham and Stam before and after they left Old Trafford. Coincidence? I think not.

[Roman Abramovich]

Completely typical of Naff's particular brand of petty petty partisanship.

Ruud suddenly became a fantastic player once he left Old Trafford.

For more of the same see any of Naff'ss comments on Beckham and Stam before and after they left Old Trafford. Coincidence? I think not.
Completely typical of Naff's particular brand of petty petty partisanship.

Ruud suddenly became a fantastic player once he left Old Trafford.

For more of the same see any of Naff'ss comments on Beckham and Stam before and after they left Old Trafford. Coincidence? I think not.

you havent a clue.
in the last season of ruud at trafford i was commenting on how good he was playing.

never doubted beckhams ability once.

And ho-chi can confirm my views on stam.

your one fuckin bluffer.....
total conclusive proof is the very fact you werent even a board member here when utd sold stam. You also werent a board member here when utd sold beckham.

Stick to facts. You always fuck up lies.

[jimmy magee]

Utd are better off without Ruud... doesn't suit their marauding four prong attack, he's too limited..

what this got to do with ROnney who, for the record, is in his balls going to Rossoneri.

[Roman Abramovich]

rossi 20
not a starting player for utd.

ronaldo 22
is a starting player for over two seasons.

rooney 21
is a starting player for utd for over two seasons.

Fergie - If your good enough, youll play.

to qoute a blinkered mupp
"you work it out"

heh heh heh

[STEVIEG]

heh heh heh

Yup, and he was obviously deemed not good enough in the end

Sold for a figure that Arsenal paid for someone like Walcott, who still is not playing regularly (and who will also benefit in the long run when he gets in the team)

Decisive action for Fergie in a bid to win more trophies

He generally gets these descisions right

[Roman Abramovich]

Yup, and he was obviously deemed not good enough in the end

Sold for a figure that Arsenal paid for someone like Walcott, who still is not playing regularly (and who will also benefit in the long run when he gets in the team)

Decisive action for Fergie in a bid to win more trophies

He generally gets these descisions right

generally....

but theres a few members on here who kept lauding rossi as if he was lionel messi (heh heh heh).

my point being, fergie will play you regardless of age if your good enough.
same with wenger to a point. arsenal paid that money for walcott, a young english player. He didnt wait till he'd have to pay 30m for him.

[STEVIEG]

generally....

but theres a few members on here who kept lauding rossi as if he was lionel messi (heh heh heh).

my point being, fergie will play you regardless of age if your good enough.
same with wenger to a point. arsenal paid that money for walcott, a young english player. He didnt wait till he'd have to pay 30m for him.

Arsenal have spent big sums of money on players who are not proven aswell

Walcott and Reyes spring to mind

It's a gamble and they don't all work

Rossi didn't get a million chances for United but he didn't look physically up to the Premiership when he did play and this is why i reckon he was sold

There is always the slight chance that Walcott won't be a 30 million player too

[Roman Abramovich]

Arsenal have spent big sums of money on players who are not proven aswell

Walcott and Reyes spring to mind

It's a gamble and they don't all work

Rossi didn't get a million chances for United but he didn't look physically up to the Premiership when he did play and this is why i reckon he was sold

There is always the slight chance that Walcott won't be a 30 million player too

whats this got do do with arsenal?
im on about the fact that rossi didnt make it at utd? did they spend big money for him? no. did they get big money? in my view yes.
but this proves once and for all rossi wasnt as good as certain board members on here kept saying he was. lupoli and rossi for my view were failures in england despite all the hype about them.

5m is a great sum for a player on the fringes of the team. Arsenal got 4m for muamba which was an even better deal.

If your good enough youll play.

[STEVIEG]

whats this got do do with arsenal?
im on about the fact that rossi didnt make it at utd? did they spend big money for him? no. did they get big money? in my view yes.
but this proves once and for all rossi wasnt as good as certain board members on here kept saying he was. lupoli and rossi for my view were failures in england despite all the hype about them.

5m is a great sum for a player on the fringes of the team. Arsenal got 4m for muamba which was an even better deal.

If your good enough youll play.

Fair enough

I think he is more suited to playing abroad

a bit like Reyes, both will flourish elsewhere

[ho chi feen]

Off topic, but Atletico are going to be fucking savage next year.

Reyes and Simao, Forlán, Luis Garcia, and not forgetting a certain Sergio Aguero who has the potential to be better for them than Torres was.

[Sound]

Off topic, but Atletico are going to be fucking savage next year.

Reyes and Simao, Forlán, Luis Garcia, and not forgetting a certain Sergio Aguero who has the potential to be better for them than Torres was.

Will yer man Maxi Lopez be back?

[ho chi feen]

Will yer man Maxi Lopez be back?

Surely you mean Maxi Rodríguez? I don't rate him that highly, but he's a decent option.

[Sound]

Surely you mean Maxi Rodríguez? I don't rate him that highly, but he's a decent option.

Well Fitz the fuck out of me!

:D

[ho chi feen]

Well Fitz the fuck out of me!

:D

Done and done (http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showpost.php?p=16461 24&postcount=1974).