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D'oriel
09-05-2007, 12:23 PM
FC United of Manchester, formed by fans opposed to Malcolm Glazer's takeover at Old Trafford, have travelled a joyfully long way from mere rebellion. At Gigg Lane, a week before "Big" United were confirmed as Premiership champions, FC fans stood and sang throughout a 5-0 demolition of Formby, completing their own second season of record-breaking, championship-winning promotion.

In gorgeous weather surely never previously witnessed in April in Bury, in the raucous section of the Main Stand and the packed Manchester Road End, the fans belted out Sloop John B, customised as their season's anthem: "I wanna go home/I wanna go ho-o-ome/This is the worst trip/I've ever been on."

There is a depth to this commitment which quite unexpectedly caught me by the throat, got me in the eyes. FC United may have started in protest at the heart-sinking economics which devoured Manchester United but it is powered by the fans' heartfelt attachment to football and the collective belonging they feel it represents. The relationship with "Big" United is complex; most FC fans still support the club - packing the pubs and Gigg Lane social club to roar United on to the 4-2 win at Everton before FC's game last week - but they grew alienated, over time, from the business which is Manchester United.

Mike Turton, 44, an electricians' supervisor, who was at the Formby match with his daughter Danielle and sons, Ryan and Thomas, is a typical FC founding father. An Old Trafford regular for 31 years, he packed in on May 12 2005 - they can all recite the date - when the Glazers, from their Florida base, finally acquired United with their £810m hedge fund-leveraged deal.

"I didn't leave because of the takeover," he said. "That was just the final push I needed to get out. It started in the Nineties; winning trophies was very nice but I didn't support United to win trophies. I'd stopped enjoying it. The prices were rising and I started wondering why I was forking out to fund the players' ridiculous wages.

"I love what we've built here, I'm really proud of it. I like to think it's in the best Manchester tradition of protest, along the lines of the suffragettes and the Trades Union movement, which have their roots here."

You hear this Manc pride a lot as well as bemusement that fans of other clubs have not protested against their takeovers - "Not even Liverpool," the FC fans all murmur. Here they have moved on, to building their own club according to the principles they argued for when campaigning: supporter-ownership, with members (2,500 of them) voting for the board and policies; ticket prices affordable at £7 for adults, £2 for under-16s, and an agreement with stewards that supporters can stand. The club has established a youth policy which seeks to work with junior clubs who often feel exploited by the way professional clubs' academies trawl for the best players. FCUM have also made partnerships with social welfare and community organisations, seeking to welcome marginalised groups and introduce football as a good presence in their lives.

Andy Walsh, the former Militant firebrand and leader of the United fans' anti-Murdoch and anti-Glazer campaigns, has been reinvented here into FC United's general manager, all trim in a blue check suit and club tie, directing details on his walkie-talkie - stewards, tickets, match day volunteers.

"Most people here still love United," Walsh said, "but they love their feeling for United, which grew from following the club for years, not the big business which came to exploit that loyalty. We're aiming to show a football club can be run by and for supporters, open to all sections of society."

The Formby match was designated a youth day, with under-16s allowed in free and young people before the game taking part in drama, banner-making and working with the Touch of Class rap collective, which promotes an anti-gun message. Thomas Cullen, a coach at Trafford Athletic Club, brought a group; he said he believed one lad had just been saved from being excluded by his school. "His teacher is here and she saw a different side of him," he said. "This is great for them. They're mostly black lads from Hulme and Moss Side but not one has ever been to a match at Old Trafford because they can't afford it."

Bill Evans, manager of Rochdale Children's Rights and Advocacy Services, brought 30 children, all in local authority care, saying it was a "positive way for them to feel included". Maxine Seager of the Tameside Youth Service, a disaffected "Big" United fan herself, came with 70 kids - "Two coach loads," she said, grinning and rolling her eyes.
"They're loving it, buzzing. They get so much out of this and we work our programmes, on anti-racism and social cohesion, around coming to the game."

The youth day events were organised by Vinny Thompson, who seemed staggered by his own football conversion: "To go from parading on terraces all over Europe to being a lentil-eating social worker in two years is pretty bloody amazing."

The thirty- and fortysomething Stretford End veterans who formed FC United are painfully aware that Premiership ticket hikes have largely priced out the next generation of fans, so are replenishing their own ranks with the regular £2 entry price and this youth day. The place was teeming with kids, a sight long disappeared from top-flight football. One group of eight, aged 11 to 14, marching along with classic red, white and black scarves around their necks and not an adult in sight, seemed like a Life On Mars throwback to the 1970s. One eloquently explained why they come: "The atmosphere's mint."

The 3,847 who made it to the Formby game may not represent the dent in the Glazers' business plan some hoped for but it is many more than Bury had at their last home game, a phenomenon at the base of football's pyramid. The five goals strolled in took FC's total this season to 157 and a finish on 112 points; both are records. After the game the North West Counties League title was presented to Dave Chadwick, FC's mountainous captain, Walsh discreetly handing out the champagne. Beaming, bowing to shake hands with crowds of kids at the Manchester Road End, the players looked disbelieving, that tough semi-pro careers have turned out this glorious.

Karl Marginson, the former Rotherham United and non-league striker who has proved the perfect manager, said he has understood FC's philosophy more with time. "It's a very special thing to be part of. I try to instil its importance in the players, that this is the fans' club."
In the celebrating stands they were mixing fond player ditties, anti-Glazer chants and pro-FC compositions. To the tune of Anarchy in the UK they roared: "I am an FC fan/I am Mancunian."

This is a football club they have fashioned for themselves out of belief and conviction. While Big United chase the Double at Wembley, they are off to the UniBond Northern Premier League next season. It seems like the best trip they have ever been on.

Manchester's proud tradition of protest
Peterloo
The army's slaughter of 11 people attending a mass rally for parliamentary reform in 1819 accelerated popular pressure for democracy
Marx and Engels
Karl Marx's political ally, Friedrich Engels, lived in Manchester and based his 1844 classic, The Condition of the Working Class in England, on the city's inequalities
Trades Union Congress
Formed in 1868 at the Mechanics Institute in Manchester
Suffragettes
The Women's Social and Political Union, that lobbied for the vote, was formed by Emmeline Pankhurst at her home in Manchester in 1903
Right to roam
The campaign for access to the countryside was boosted by the 1932 Kinder Trespass, led by the Manchester activist Benny Rothman
Punk rock
A Sex Pistols gig at the Lesser Free Trade Hall in 1976 is often heralded as the birth of punk and inspired a generation of Manchester music
FC United of Manchester
Formed in 2005 by Manchester United fans protesting at the Glazer takeover



http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/05/09/fc_united_rise_and_s hine_on_a.html

STEVIEG
09-05-2007, 12:25 PM
Two good promotions

Big test next year now good to see them doing well

cantankerous bastard
09-05-2007, 12:28 PM
Ghey

de mange
09-05-2007, 01:53 PM
UniBond Northern Premier League

how many leagues does that leave them from the vauxhall say?

de mange
09-05-2007, 01:56 PM
did a wiki

next season = level 7
level 6 = conference.. fair play to them

Lamps
09-05-2007, 02:00 PM
good to see them doing well

Would you ever get a bloody grip lad, in all fairness.

Rebel Yell
09-05-2007, 02:32 PM
If I fast track my plans and attain multi-billionaire status within the next couple of years I will launch a takeover bid which may well culminate in them re-joining MUFC and we will completely dominate football.....MUHAHAH AHAHA

I will of course appoint Roy Keane as manager with Sir Alex in an advisory role.

As a kind hearted sort...I'll even appoint Steve Staunton as head of the Old Trafford lavatory sanitation Dept. Surely even he would find that job piss easy?

Corkonian
09-05-2007, 02:46 PM
I dunno. I wouldn't trust him with such a role tbh. I think polishing Keano's shoes would be a far more suitable job for him. Plus Keano could keep an eye on him like. You leave Stan alone for very long and it ends up like Dougal taking charge of that funeral in Father Ted.

STEVIEG
09-05-2007, 02:49 PM
Would you ever get a bloody grip lad, in all fairness.

Fuck off WUM:)

Haven't you a bit of dissapearing to do

And a Roy Keane apology to make!!!!!!!!!!!

lionelhutz
09-05-2007, 03:13 PM
. The relationship with "Big" United is complex; most FC fans still support the club - packing the pubs and Gigg Lane social club to roar United on to the 4-2 win at Everton before FC's game last week - but they grew alienated, over time, from the business which is Manchester United..

sounds like a fucked up way of protesting, the fitzy way if you ask me.



FCUM have also made partnerships with social welfare and community organisations, seeking to welcome marginalised groups and introduce football as a good presence in their lives.

young people before the game taking part in drama, banner-making and working with the Touch of Class rap collective, which promotes an anti-gun message.

look like rooney, ronaldo and rio are all set up if they get the boot from big utd

RonnyB
09-05-2007, 03:18 PM
look like rooney, ronaldo and rio are all set up if they get the boot from big utd

LMAO!

In all honesty I couldnt give 2 fiddlers about FC United, but congratulations to those involved. As for their supporters I understand the fact they thought the game at the top level was too expensive but moving support from one club to another is a bit sad.

Lamps
09-05-2007, 03:20 PM
Stevie lad, do you say nice to see them doing well in the same disingenuous way that you like to "see all the cork teams do well", or is it part of the unique bond that you have with manchester? The club and city that are number one in your heart

Genuine question

northmallexile
09-05-2007, 03:21 PM
did a wiki

next season = level 7
level 6 = conference.. fair play to them

The Conference North as opposed to the Conference proper, I'd say.

Seeing as we're talking about non-league English clubs, I was pleased to note Bath City winning the Southern League this season.

Lamps
09-05-2007, 03:55 PM
Stevie lad, do you say nice to see them doing well in the same disingenuous way that you like to "see all the cork teams do well", or is it part of the unique bond that you have with manchester? The club and city that are number one in your heart

Genuine question

care to answer this steven?

big shout out to the admirals

POL
09-05-2007, 03:56 PM
stevie is like his idol Keane, in that he is a man for all men.

Lamps
09-05-2007, 03:59 PM
stevie is like his idol Keane, in that he is a man for all men.

Another fact is that Stevie turned his back on his idol in favour of ManYoo.

Now he likes him again. StevieG is the biggest flipflopper on this site.

Luckily the SFI can see through this populist bullshit a mile off, we know he couldn't give a crap about anyone but manyoo

POL
09-05-2007, 04:01 PM
its all about massaging his own ego

Lamps
09-05-2007, 04:02 PM
its all about massaging his own ego

If he was a toblerone he have himself ate already. pure loves himself

STEVIEG
09-05-2007, 04:22 PM
Stevie lad, do you say nice to see them doing well in the same disingenuous way that you like to "see all the cork teams do well", or is it part of the unique bond that you have with manchester? The club and city that are number one in your heart

Genuine question

I respect the decision of some of them who started the club

And it's good to see them doing well

Many of them are United fans too

Why are so bitter??

Out with the personal shit again too

What a battering, it must have hurt

D'oriel
18-05-2007, 10:56 AM
In all honesty I couldnt give 2 fiddlers about FC United, but congratulations to those involved. As for their supporters I understand the fact they thought the game at the top level was too expensive but moving support from one club to another is a bit sad.


You know nothing.

FC United was founded in 2005 by supporters who felt disillusioned by the Glazer takeover.
These would have been die-hard supporters, at games every week, season tickets, the works. I know people in London, Dublin and Cork who felt the same - so much so that they still went to Manchester, but FC United games, not Old Trafford.
Some of them now continue to do both. Some will never return to OT.

lionelhutz
18-05-2007, 12:24 PM
You know nothing.

FC United was founded in 2005 by supporters who felt disillusioned by the Glazer takeover.

Some of them now continue to do both.

thats the point numbnuts. they quickly forgot their 'disillusionment' when big brother started winning again. trust me. its why there is an ABU.

EL TORO
18-05-2007, 12:29 PM
Its great to see them doing well. This is how most of today's biggest clubs started out. One of the girls in my office has a brother playing for FC United. Its a big deal over here for those involved and based on sound principles. I wouldnt expect Utd fans overseas to acknowledge FC United too much. Non league footy is quite popular over here with young dads wanting to take their kids to a game without paying a ridiculous amount of money for 90 minutes of entertainment. Gigg Lane over in Bury is pretty much the same size as Turner's cross with a great playing surface, and I have no doubts the FC United boys would give City good game.

Lamps
18-05-2007, 12:31 PM
I wonder who StevieG would support in that game?

POL
18-05-2007, 12:34 PM
I wonder who StevieG would support in that game?

manyoo, cork, ireland, fc manyoo

EL TORO
18-05-2007, 01:28 PM
Do you two know each other off the boards? You're like some kind of tag team of annoying itches that just wont go away. C'mon fellas its just boring now.

STEVIEG
18-05-2007, 04:14 PM
I wonder who StevieG would support in that game?

For the record, Cork City

But this is boring, very boring, as El Toro rightly pointed out

Even when i'm not here you are talking about me

POL
18-05-2007, 04:15 PM
there's one thing worse than not being talked about

STEVIEG
18-05-2007, 04:17 PM
there's one thing worse than not being talked about

True i suppose

Alan Smith
18-05-2007, 05:38 PM
You know nothing.

FC United was founded in 2005 by supporters who felt disillusioned by the Glazer takeover.
These would have been die-hard supporters, at games every week, season tickets, the works. I know people in London, Dublin and Cork who felt the same - so much so that they still went to Manchester, but FC United games, not Old Trafford.
Some of them now continue to do both. Some will never return to OT.

Im one of them. Maybe we were wrong Glazer has not changed ot to a budweiseer superdome or something, maybe hes not after interefering too much but I personally just felt time was up and concentrate on supporting City solely instead of my few trips to Manchester a year and City's home games. Il get to City home and away games now, where there is more sense of pride and togetherness then in Old Trafford where there was always someone foreign next to you who had no clue of the clubs history or anything

So thats why iv moved on, Glazer was the final straw but through time I realised that its unfair on real Manc's to be left out so some foreigner will pay more so he can see 'his' team.

AmadeusDC
18-05-2007, 05:47 PM
Im one of them. Maybe we were wrong Glazer has not changed ot to a budweiseer superdome or something, maybe hes not after interefering too much but I personally just felt time was up and concentrate on supporting City solely instead of my few trips to Manchester a year and City's home games. Il get to City home and away games now, where there is more sense of pride and togetherness then in Old Trafford where there was always someone foreign next to you who had no clue of the clubs history or anything

So thats why iv moved on, Glazer was the final straw but through time I realised that its unfair on real Manc's to be left out so some foreigner will pay more so he can see 'his' team.

If you're not from Manchester isn't that a bit rich of you to say? I mean the local guy next to you is probably bitching about the Paddy over for the weekend taking his mates seat. -AmadeusDC-

Alan Smith
18-05-2007, 05:50 PM
If you're not from Manchester isn't that a bit rich of you to say? I mean the local guy next to you is probably bitching about the Paddy over for the weekend taking his mates seat. -AmadeusDC-

Which is why I now realise that so im not going ove anymore:rolleyes:

AmadeusDC
18-05-2007, 05:58 PM
Which is why I now realise that so im not going ove anymore:rolleyes:

Fair enough, incidently the biggest United fan I've ever met (most fanatical anyhow) is an Indian born kid living here in America who eats sleeps and breaths United. I don't think a person should only be considered a true supporter because of their geographical location.
I know what people are getting at with complaing about the day trippers though. Personally, I've turned down tickets to numerous Croker and Thurles games because I feel like I'm depriving some real fan. I mean I like to see Cork do well but there's fuck all chance that I'll be going to a league game early in the season so I don't feel right taking the big game ticket from someone who would. -AmadeusDC-

EL TORO
18-05-2007, 06:31 PM
Fair enough, incidently the biggest United fan I've ever met (most fanatical anyhow) is an Indian born kid living here in America who eats sleeps and breaths United. I don't think a person should only be considered a true supporter because of their geographical location.
I know what people are getting at with complaing about the day trippers though. Personally, I've turned down tickets to numerous Croker and Thurles games because I feel like I'm depriving some real fan. I mean I like to see Cork do well but there's fuck all chance that I'll be going to a league game early in the season so I don't feel right taking the big game ticket from someone who would. -AmadeusDC-

In fairness to him, I understand what he is saying about the overseas fans bit. I work closely with Utd and go to games a few times a season, now im not a Utd fan but I know my football. utd would far prefer to have these 1000's of daytrippers coming over spending their dosh in the megastore and taking their 400 pics per game, than the local fella down the road who only spends his £35 on a ticket and goes straight to and from the game. Our allocation of tickets are located in the upper East stand and its always filled with Chinese,Malasyian,Ja panese, American 'fans' who dont know what the hell is going on, Its more of a tourist day out for them, they may as well be at Alton towers. This is at the cost of the 12 year old lad down the road in Salford who cannot afford the price of the ticket these days.

ho chi feen
18-05-2007, 06:40 PM
You know nothing.

FC United was founded in 2005 by supporters who felt disillusioned by the Glazer takeover.
These would have been die-hard supporters, at games every week, season tickets, the works. I know people in London, Dublin and Cork who felt the same - so much so that they still went to Manchester, but FC United games, not Old Trafford.
Some of them now continue to do both. Some will never return to OT.

Are Bogota and the others supported FCUM these days. D'oriel?