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Poc Fada
13-04-2007, 01:57 PM
Eoin English's piece in Tuesday's Examiner:

The call was made after major deficiencies, including serious design issues, were revealed as the reasons behind planners’ refusal of a multi-million apartment scheme on the company’s Horgan’s Quay site two months ago.

City officials have laid bare, for the first time, 13 main reasons behind planners’ decision to reject the Manor Park Homes’s project on a portion of the CIÉ-owned Horgan’s Quay site — a crucial area in the city’s multi-billion docklands regeneration plans.

It was hoped the long-awaited planning application by CIÉ’s development partners would include a masterplan for the entire quay site allowing for the development of a conference centre, in line with the city’s docklands strategy, and the revamp of Kent Railway Station.

But the application was confined to the eastern side of Horgan’s Quay and included 276 residential units, eight retail units, two commercial units, three showroom units, a crèche, and a temporary access road to the proposed new concourse of Kent Railway station.

In a scathing critique of the proposal, planners said it did not address the council’s overall goal of redeveloping the Horgan’s Quay site.

They highlighted serious urban design issues and a lack of a comprehensive approach by the applicants and landowners. Some of the main reasons for the refusal included:

Failure to provide for the design for a new Kent Station and square.
Failure to adequately provide for a new national road and appropriate network of streets.
Failure to provide a high quality public realm and any public open space.
Failure to provide a quayside amenity area in any form on Horgan’s Quay.
Failure to properly conserve a goods depot, listed as a protected structure.
Failure to provide pedestrian links to the city centre.
Failure to provide proper transport and traffic management scenarios.
Unacceptably tall buildings which are contrary to the city development plan.
Unacceptable impact on views towards Montenotte and Tivoli and others areas of special character.

The application also failed to show how social or affordable houses would be provided on site.

City manager Joe Gavin, who is set to bring new proposals before the council tonight designed to secure a conference centre for the city, said the application as lodged could not be given the green light.

Manor Park Homes has appealed the council’s decision to An Bord Pleanála. A number of residents have also lodged appeals. A decision is due in July.

Despite the company’s appeal, Mr Gavin said he is unsure how the proposed sale of Manor Park Homes will affect the company’s development plans Horgan’s Quay.

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This is a shame and a real setback. If the council are 'scathing' of the plan in such huge detail if the developers win the appeal with Bord Pleanala it will truely be a disgrace. Why dont they work with the council to try to address the issues and not try to drive ahead. Not creating open spaces is ridiculous -these guys are so bloody greedy.

Hang_Sandwich
13-04-2007, 02:05 PM
why won't they let highrises go in? let them build up then they can shift units and use the land for amenities etc,etc its time to choose - highrise or sprawl

Poc Fada
13-04-2007, 02:15 PM
That was the one thing that struck me. The view from Montenotte etc is going to suffer but nobody is entitled to a view. The Elyssian Tower is 19 storeys so what's the problem? Keeping them to the east end of the city sounds like a good plan and leave the western end more residential out towards victorian cross etc.

jungle
13-04-2007, 02:23 PM
The South Docklands is better for high-rise because it's not so close to the hills. That said, I can't see an issue with 10 storeys at that location.

The essential issue here is that MPH put in a quick, shoddy application because they wanted to have planing permission for a development before the company was sold. They seem to have been caught by surprise w.r.t. the level of criticism it received.

rebs23
16-04-2007, 12:26 PM
I think everyone in the industry believes this was not a serious application, just one to have in before the company was sold.

cartoon
16-04-2007, 03:18 PM
Saw in the Sunday Times yesterday that the value of the company has slumped by 100 million. It didnt mention the Cork failure but Im sure that was a big part of the drop.

Hope the council can get something going there soon. Something needs to happen soon. If its going to drag into next year before another application is considered we might have to put a proposal in ourselves!

M4rtn
16-04-2007, 04:39 PM
looks like a pure amateur application. not quite the 'kilkenny within cork' that was announced.