Player of the Season?

[STEVIEG]

The Premiership season is nearly over

Without dragging this down to stupid childish levels who has been the best player of the season?

Ronaldo for me

Essien and Drogba have come closest, with honourable mentions for Giggs, Rio, Carvalho, Carragher, Arteta, Sidwell, Scholes, Vidic, Fabregas, Terry, Gilberto and Berbatov

I'm sure there's more that I forgot

[RonnyB]

Ronaldo.

Best Prem newcomer - Berbatov

Worst Prem newcomer - Ballack

Most improved player - Essien

Most improved player in the other direction - Richardson (I honestly didnt think that string of shite could get any worse but he's surpassed himself this season)

[STEVIEG]

i'll go with ronaldo

arsenal have been very disappointing. carragher was class, i'd give most improved to daniel agger though. i think essien was always at that level just hadnt adapted to england..


biggest flop? suppose shevchenko has to take the title. 30m like.....

I forgot to mention Agger

Sheva has been in great form since the Liverpool game

[kipto]

...looks like the diver will get player of the year judging by the media hype around him at the moment
...think I saw one paper calling him "the best number 7 ever"
...wankers

[jim x comet]

The Premiership season is nearly over

Without dragging this down to stupid childish levels who has been the best player of the season?

Ronaldo for me

Essien and Drogba have come closest, with honourable mentions for Giggs, Rio, Carvalho, Carragher, Arteta, Sidwell, Scholes, Vidic, Fabregas, Terry, Gilberto and Berbatov

I'm sure there's more that I forgot

Carragher,Agger,Crou ch,Gerrard or Mascherano.Nobody else has stood out

[STEVIEG]

...looks like the diver will get player of the year judging by the media hype around him at the moment
...think I saw one paper calling him "the best number 7 ever"
...wankers

You shouldn't read tabloids

Answer the question and mention the better players if you wish

[STEVIEG]

Carragher,Agger,Crou ch,Gerrard or Mascherano.Nobody else has stood out

heh heh heh

[Rebelred]

Top 5:
1. Essien
2. Ronaldo
3. Drogba
4. Carvalho
5. Vidic

[Lamps]

Ronaldo. Gan dabht

Best Prem newcomer - Berbatov

Worst Prem newcomer - Ballack

Most improved player - Mascherano going on the 2 games I've seen

Most improved player in the other direction - Steven Carr retain this title for me. Was on the road to being a right footed RobbieCarlos, now a poor mans Danny Mills

[STEVIEG]

fuck what am i saying, benny mccarthy, miles ahead best new player!!

Can't believe i forgot him

[jimmy magee]

player of the year Ronaldo

2nd --- Drogba

Best Newcomer-- Benni McCarthy

Biggest waste of talent ---Shevchenko (not his fault)

Biggest cunt/ waste of wages ---- Ballack

[RedCityKid]

Ronaldo. Gan dabht

Best Prem newcomer - Berbatov

Worst Prem newcomer - Ballack

Most improved player - Mascherano going on the 2 games I've seen

Most improved player in the other direction - Steven Carr retain this title for me. Was on the road to being a right footed RobbieCarlos, now a poor mans Danny Mills

Steven Carr should get a lifetime achievement award for getting worse on such a consistent basis season after season

[EL TORO]

Prem Top 6


1) Ronaldo
2) Arteta
3) Crouch
4) Drogba
5)lescott
6)Berbatov

Worst:

1) Ballack
2) Shevchenko
3) Hleb
4) Reo Coker
5) Duff (not At His Best For Over 12 Months Now)

[kipto]

You shouldn't read tabloids

Answer the question and mention the better players if you wish

but..me...like..redd ing...tabloids..big wurds...hert...me..b wain!!!!

[Coin]

In no particular order:
Essien
Carvalho
Ronaldo
Drogba

Ronaldo has carried Man united through average performances against the also-rans. If he'd gotten injured for a stretch of 6-8 games they'd be hovering around Liverpool and Arsenal. The other three have carried Chelsea through an injury plagued season that often saw about 4 players start out of position (a combination of injuries and dodgy team selection).

Best newcomer: Berbatov
Player who proved you can't have two guys playing in the one position: Ballack
Player who I've really enjoyed watching: Steve Sidwell

[kipto]

Steven Carr should get a lifetime achievement award for getting worse on such a consistent basis season after season

absolutely......frig htening how bad he has gotten, prob behind John O Shea in Ireland pecking order "shudder"

[STEVIEG]

5)lescott
)

Another glaring ommission from me

The Everton defense has been terrific

[Forsberg]

Player of the Year- Ronaldo

but Drogba pushed him close . It's been a long time since since two players have been so dominant and vital to their teams. . Even Henry at his peak wasn't tis influential

Best Player outside the top 4- Arteta

A bit biased I know , but he's been superb every game. And when Tim Cahill got injured first time around he adapted his game brilliantly and Everton never really faultered
Although , as much as I dislike him Diouf has been excellent for Bolton and pushes him close

Best Newcomer- Benni Mccarthy

Considering what he cost , he just about scrapes it from Berbatov. Special mention to Joleon Lescott and Obafemi Martins

Most Improved - Cristiano Ronaldo

Worst Signing - Ballack

He's jsut been non existent. I find it hard to even pick out one moment where he's done anything worthwhile.

Despite a really poor first half , I think Sheva been alright.

[RonnyB]

Arteta has been fantastic. He'd be a cert in my team of the year.

[Rebel Yell]

Player of the year...Ronaldo...he may have not really performed against the big guns but he has consistently done it against the lesser ones.

Best newcomer.....McCarth y (with a name like that he has to get the PROC Vote) :) although nothing in it with Berbatov

Retiree of the Year ....Damien Duff...rather ironic as he had to actually leave the Pensioners to retire.

The 'Alan Kernaghan Excellence' Award....John O'Shea ( for the third season running)

[lionelhutz]

In no particular order:
Essien
Carvalho
Ronaldo
Drogba

Ronaldo has carried Man united through average performances against the also-rans. If he'd gotten injured for a stretch of 6-8 games they'd be hovering around Liverpool and Arsenal. The other three have carried Chelsea through an injury plagued season that often saw about 4 players start out of position (a combination of injuries and dodgy team selection).



i agree with you on your point regarding ronaldo, but to be fair to him there are a lot of also rans in the league, who need to be beaten, and he's been excellent against most of them and along with scholes the main reason why they're top. i honestly think carvalho has been the best player in the prem this season. i always felt he was a better player than terry and this season confirms it for me. immense. just nicks it ahead of roni for me. as regards most improved player you absolutely cannot look beyond roni. his performances are 300% better than previous seasons at least. drogba also stands out. essien was supposed to be a superstar before he came to the prem and he seems to be living up to some of that hype

[STEVIEG]

as regards most improved player you absolutely cannot look beyond roni. his performances are 300% better than previous seasons at least.

I'd agree with that

His game has improved by someway

He wasn't even in United's top three performers on any previous season IMO

Even for Portugal, as good as he has been , he is playing better now

[Lamps]

You shouldn't read tabloids



You write for a tabloid

[STEVIEG]

You write for a tabloid

Big difference between your beloved racist Imperialist red-tops and Cork's local paper

Do you wanna stalk me all your life?

Obsessed

[st finnbar]

1 ronaldo
2 drogba
3 carragher

[Lamps]

Big difference between your beloved racist Imperialist red-tops and Cork's local paper

Do you wanna stalk me all your life?

Obsessed

Its a tabloid. Deal with it. And a certain Noel O F*ynn has a column in it too, as did Charlie Wolffe, remember him. He'd give Boris Jonhnson a serious run for his money.

P.S racist imperialist?

Weren't you saying you were a big fan of the torygraph last week?


I have you on every count Stevie

[STEVIEG]

Its a tabloid. Deal with it. And a certain Noel O F*ynn has a column in it too. He'd give Boris Jonhnson a serious run for his money.

P.S racist imperialist?

Weren't you saying you were a big fan of the torygraphy last week?


I have you on every count Stevie

No, i mentioned an article there

you are the one defending facist police and who sources all your anti-United stuff in the Sun and the Mirror

Now, what the fuck does me doing a specialist freelance music column in a supplement to our local paper have to do with Fianna Fail or anything else?

Please run along and stick to the thread title

Your stalking is smalltime and it's making you look very bad

What did i say about Childishness at the start of this thread?????

[Rebelred]

Best Prem Newcomer - Berbatov (honourable mention to Kevin Doyle)
Best Prem Newcomer in a forgotten role - Tevez, the fella's a class act
Most improved player - Evra
Most improved player in the opposite direction - Kevin Kilbane, Emile Heskey and Stephen Carr
Worst Manager - Glenn Roeder

[jimmy magee]

i honestly think carvalho has been the best player in the prem this season. i always felt he was a better player than terry and this season confirms it for me. immense.


You cannot judge who is a 'better' player as they're a wholly different style- thats why they're effective together.
Terry attacks the ball, Carvalho cleans up behind him

Terry is far more effective/valuable to Chelsea. Without him in the side uncertainty prevails. Without Terry, Chelsea's whole backline is in disarray.

[xvis]

1. Drogba
2. Ronaldo
3. Essien


Exellence all round from those 3, then some distance to the next group which contains Rio for me, ..United's second best performer all year.

[Lamps]

No, i mentioned an article there

you are the one defending facist police and who sources all your anti-United stuff in the Sun and the Mirror

Now, what the fuck does me doing a specialist freelance music column in a supplement to our local paper have to do with Fianna Fail or anything else?

Please run along and stick to the thread title

Your stalking is smalltime and it's making you look very bad

What did i say about Childishness at the start of this thread?????

I'd rather not let you ruin this thread so start another one if you want to get your ass kicked.

If you write for a paper, and get paid by them for it then as far as I see it your employed by them. A paper that gives/gave a platform to those individuals as well as others of less extreme persuasion it has to be mentioned.

You mentioned the torygraph as a respectable paper.

I'm not defending anyone, I simply make comments on what I see, which included the ManYoo fans charging police. Some innocent people probably got hurt, and some scumbags got the baten they deserved. As we are on it, your employer the Echo ran theor headline story on the said facist police, the same day as the Nurses strike started i think. Quality paper that.

The Sun and Mirror are frequently used by Rooney and the boys for exclusives.

[STEVIEG]

Don't embarrass yourself anymore stalker


How many times have people here pulled you on getting personal, yet still you persist

I suppose I should take it as a compliment really.......

I must have really rattled your cages yesterday

Now, this is a thread about the player of the year, let's stick to the topic

[Lamps]

Don't embarrass yourself anymore stalker


How many times have people here pulled you on getting personal, yet still you persist

I suppose I should take it as a compliment really.......

I must have really rattled your cages yesterday

Now, this is a thread about the player of the year, let's stick to the topic

Take it whatever way you want



You preached to some lad about not reading tabloids and the fact is you write for one. They are the FACTS.

Dress it up however you want.

Now back to topic

[jimmy magee]

Second tier of achievers


Rio for me, ..United's second best performer all year.

he he .. you sound like Glenn Roeder.

[st finnbar]

Don't embarrass yourself anymore stalker


How many times have people here pulled you on getting personal, yet still you persist

I suppose I should take it as a compliment really.......

I must have really rattled your cages yesterday

Now, this is a thread about the player of the year, let's stick to the topic

he s probally outside in the carpark at red fm studio s, wating to pounce:p , serious lamps get a life,:roll:

[STEVIEG]

Take it whatever way you want



You preached to some lad about not reading tabloids and the fact is you write for one. They are the FACTS.


I told him he should know better than to take what those fuckwits have to say as being anything of significance


Now, can i leave my house without you following me???

I've shit to do:)

[Rebel Yell]

Take it whatever way you want



You preached to some lad about not reading tabloids and the fact is you write for one. They are the FACTS.

Dress it up however you want.

Now back to topic


Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that tabloids have 2 different meanings and the common view in this part of the world views them as half size newspapers with sensationalist/trashy content.

The new format Irish Independent or the Evening Echo (in any style or era) could hardly fall into the same category as the Sun, Mirror, Star etc !!!!

So stuff your facts up yer hole ya pedantic fuckwit :)

[Lamps]

Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that tabloids have 2 different meanings and the common view in this part of the world views them as half size newspapers with sensationalist/trashy content.

The new format Irish Independent or the Evening Echo (in any style or era) could hardly fall into the same category as the Sun, Mirror, Star etc !!!!

So stuff your facts up yer hole ya pedantic fuckwit :)

I really don't want to get off topic. You might want to ask many cork familiesabout the Echo's intrusion into court cases, and splashing it across their front pages without any consent or consideration, and i'm not just talking about scumbags caught robbing.

These are the facts cidona boy.

[legend76]

Best Newcomer - Berbatov (biased i know !!!)

Worst Newcomer - Ballack

Most Improved - C. Ronaldo

Best Player not to play for the 'Big' 4 - Scott Parker


Player of the year - It has to be , the one the only , Fat Frank A.K.A LAMPS

http://www.okeydokefootball .com/images/lampard.jpg

[Lamps]

shut yer holes about tabloids...who gives a shit.

lamps relax there a small bit like...

They don't like it when I present them with information they don't like.

I know I'm onto something when it resorts to obessesed, stalker, pedantic and the like.

[nemesis]

I really don't want to get off topic. You might want to ask many cork familiesabout the Echo's intrusion into court cases, and splashing it across their front pages without any consent or consideration, and i'm not just talking about scumbags caught robbing.

These are the facts cidona boy.

C'mere, this Jungle-esque desire to get personal is out of order.

[Lamps]

C'mere, this Jungle-esque desire to get personal is out of order.

Are you for real?
I'm the one repeatedly sworn at.


Now can we stay on topic

[Forsberg]

Best Player not to play for the 'Big' 4 - Scott Parker




Really? Beside a decent first month or two I thought he's been decidedly average. Granted I haven't seen a whole lot of Newcastle but he hasn't impresrd me when I have seen them

[EL TORO]

This place is going to the dogs. There are people on here who's intention is to purely wind others up. Surely there is enough space on other sites for that kind of feck acting. This is no place for personal attacks of any kind. Some people on here take advantage of their anonymaty.. a bit cowardly if you ask me. Thats all I have to say on the matter. Back to the football.

[Lamps]

Really? Beside a decent first month or two I thought he's been decidedly average. Granted I haven't seen a whole lot of Newcastle but he hasn't impresrd me when I have seen them

prepare to be zooomed

[xvis]

This place is going to the dogs. There are people on here who's intention is to purely wind others up. Surely there is enough space on other sites for that kind of feck acting. This is no place for personal attacks of any kind. Some people on here take advantage of their anonymaty.. a bit cowardly if you ask me. Thats all I have to say on the matter. Back to the football.

agreed,

the board is getting spammed to fuck.

[Forsberg]

prepare to be zooomed

Oh FFS. Is there room at that table Lamps?

[Roman Abramovich]

Player of the Year- Ronaldo

but Drogba pushed him close . It's been a long time since since two players have been so dominant and vital to their teams. . Even Henry at his peak wasn't tis influential.

ehh come back when ronaldo is even close to his record of goals and assists in one season.

[wat_boy]

goalkeeper - reina
defender - carragher
midfielder- ronaldo
forward - drogba

[STEVIEG]

ehh come back when ronaldo is even close to his record of goals and assists in one season.

The winger has been involved in about 50 goals

[wat_boy]

16 goals and 14 assists which is nearly half of utd's goal tally this season, very impressive, utd would be lost without him imo

[nemesis]

ehh come back when ronaldo is even close to his record of goals and assists in one season.

When Ronaldo decides to become a striker that might actually be a valid point.

[Forsberg]

ehh come back when ronaldo is even close to his record of goals and assists in one season.

Thats not what I'm saying though. Even when Henry was at his peak , he alway had guys like Viera , Pires, Bergkamp etc who were also vitally important to that team and contrubuted hugely.

For me , this season Ronaldo and Drogba have been by far the dominat factors for their team and are probably the sole reason why their teams are so far ahead.

I'm not comparing their quality to Henry , who I think is still a far superior player than both. But they've dominated their teams more than Henry has in the past. This reflects badly on Chelsea and Man U imo as it highlights the fact that neither is a great "team " .

[STEVIEG]

Thats not what I'm saying though. Even when Henry was at his peak , he alway had guys like Viera , Pires, Bergkamp etc who were also vitally important to that team and contrubuted hugely.

For me , this season Ronaldo and Drogba have been by far the dominat factors for their team and are probably the sole reason why their teams are so far ahead.

I'm not comparing their quality to Henry , who I think is still a far superior player than both. But they've dominated their teams more than Henry has in the past. This reflects badly on Chelsea and Man U imo as it highlights the fact that neither is a great "team " .

dunno about the last bit too early to tell Chelsea could win all 4 and then they will be a great team

United could develop into one too

agree on the rest

Fabregas has got zero goals this season (besides one O.G.)

Doesn't mean he hasn't been one of Arsenals best players

[lionelhutz]

You cannot judge who is a 'better' player as they're a wholly different style- thats why they're effective together.
Terry attacks the ball, Carvalho cleans up behind him.

they're both centre halves numnuts. of course i can judge who is better. i heard this line from some commentator during the week and i've never heard it before. you obviously picked up on it. as i told you before, get an original thought for yourself.carvalho sticks his head in as much as any defender around. he attacks anything that moves which is probably his only weakness in that he is liable to catch an attaker late sometimes. his main advantage over terry is pace and he's better in possession.

Terry is far more effective/valuable to Chelsea. Without him in the side uncertainty prevails. Without Terry, Chelsea's whole backline is in disarray.

which is why they continued winning without him? the whole chelsea backline has been injury hit this season with the exception of carvalho who drove the team on while playing with a different centre half partner every week. headline reader. here's a tip. watch football.

[Philby]

Ronaldo is odds-on (1/3) to nip it ahead of Drogba (11/5) but I can't seperate them to be honest. They've both had storming seasons.


Drogba and Ronaldo save fanciest routines for last


Every year, the Football Writers Association and the PFA (the players' association) each nominate a short list of the six best players in England, from which their eventual Player of the Year is chosen. This year, four men on each list will be strapping on the cummerbund in the knowledge that the evening will not require them to mount the stage or soak up the beery applause of their friends and enemies. Only two, Didier Drogba and Cristiano Ronaldo stand any chance of winning, and like all good reality shows, they will spend the closing stages of the season flying to exotic locations, outwitting celebrities and devising ingenious, often illegal, solutions to the fiendish challenges that lie ahead.
» Drogba is leading in the Actim Player Index (541 points to 535), and has scored more Premiership goals (18 to 16).
» But neither award has ever been won by a non-European.
» The awards have been won by the same person on 12 occasions since 1974, just over once every three years on average. The awards have gone to different players in each of the last two years.
» The PFA marginally prefers out-and-out goalscorers to creative players, the FWA has a clear weakness for creative types.
» The FWA also has a greater tolerance of southern teams (13 southern winners, 18 northern, 1 midland). The PFA has less time for the south (9 southern, 18 northern, 5 midland).
» The FWA much prefers conventionally good-looking men (such as Gary Lineker or Thierry Henry) as opposed to less conventionally attractive individuals (such as Eric Cantona) or faces only a mother could love (Neville Southall, Gianfranco Zola). chickendinner has the count at 17 to 15 in favour of the conventionals.
» The PFA makes no such discrimination, with only 9 conventionals and 23 interestings/plug-uglies. Quite where this leaves Didier and Cristiano is unclear.
» The PFA has a marginally greater weakness for the top goalscorer (4 since the Premier League began) than the FWA (2 since the Premier League began).
» And of the last 14 PFA players of the year, only seven have been champions. So don't give up just yet, Didier.


http://chickendinner.co.uk/home/1048/drogba_and_ronaldo_s ave_fanciest_routine s_for_last.html

[Roman Abramovich]

Thats not what I'm saying though. Even when Henry was at his peak , he alway had guys like Viera , Pires, Bergkamp etc who were also vitally important to that team and contrubuted hugely.

For me , this season Ronaldo and Drogba have been by far the dominat factors for their team and are probably the sole reason why their teams are so far ahead.

I'm not comparing their quality to Henry , who I think is still a far superior player than both. But they've dominated their teams more than Henry has in the past. This reflects badly on Chelsea and Man U imo as it highlights the fact that neither is a great "team " .
3 months ago this was paul scholes best season.
last time i checked arsenal had never paid 18million for a central midfielder ala michael carrick.
i mean rooney is the supposed best young player in the world.
and lets not dismiss the input of giggs and saha.
dont cherry pick.

henry is a striker but at his peak the season he set the record for assists in the prem and his record for goals he wasnt what youd call an out and out striker.

ronaldo has been brilliant this season. personally i dont think he has the ability to sustain that year in year out. in fact i think he could struggle to even come close to what hes achived this year.

player of the year for me has been drogba. chelsea were stuttering all season, they signed sheva and it looked like he was on the way out and the guy came good. the guy more than came good he outclassed sheva in everything.

i dont think he will next year, i think shev needed a year to settle.


and show me proof hes been involved in 50 goals. for fuck sake most players on a pitch are involved in a goal. i mean if henry got 20 clear assists and 30 goals, how many "more" was he involved in. Considering everthing goes through henry at arsenal where as its allegedely scholes everything goes through at utd.

[STEVIEG]

and show me proof hes been involved in 50 goals. for fuck sake most players on a pitch are involved in a goal. i mean if henry got 20 clear assists and 30 goals, how many "more" was he involved in. Considering everthing goes through henry at arsenal where as its allegedely scholes everything goes through at utd.

Havn't got time but believe me it's true

He's a winger

But he is now the main fulcrum of a decent United team

Rooney, Saha, Ole, Scholes, Carrick, Giggs and all of them have contributed to him being the best player this season IMO but it's the same with Drogba at Chelsea, who has had some decent playes helping him out too

[jimmy magee]

they're both centre halves numnuts. of course i can judge who is better. i heard this line from some commentator during the week and i've never heard it before. you obviously picked up on it. as i told you before, get an original thought for yourself.carvalho sticks his head in as much as any defender around. he attacks anything that moves which is probably his only weakness in that he is liable to catch an attaker late sometimes. his main advantage over terry is pace and he's better in possession.



you know nothing. John Terry synchronisises the rest of that backline. It is built around him. Was it not a few months ago, Terrys first injury, that Chelsea were leaking goals big time. If you believe they are the same type of defender then what can i say only that you know nothing.
I will not humour your repetitive jibe with regards to coining phrases.

[Roman Abramovich]

Havn't got time but believe me it's true

He's a winger

But he is now the main fulcrum of a decent United team

Rooney, Saha, Ole, Scholes, Carrick, Giggs and all of them have contributed to him being the best player this season IMO but it's the same with Drogba at Chelsea, who has had some decent playes helping him out too

true but whats important for alot of the nuetral stevie is drogba for a large part has cut out being a cunt, acting the cunt, and playing like a cunt.
ronaldo hasnt.
suppose its why pires despite his immense achievements in the prem never get the true just cheering from the nuetral.

[jimmy magee]

yes if it were not for Shevchenko's tireless diverting runs Drogba would not of had the season he had. Drogba is the perfect striker for the english game

[legend76]

Really? Beside a decent first month or two I thought he's been decidedly average. Granted I haven't seen a whole lot of Newcastle but he hasn't impresrd me when I have seen them

eh ..... That was a WUM

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=966 85&highlight=scott+park er

My Proper vote would probably go to Shay Given or Mikel Arteta

[STEVIEG]

drogba for a large part has cut out being a cunt, acting the cunt, and playing like a cunt.
ronaldo hasnt.


I saw him diving around like a schoolgirl against Spurs after he got challenged last Saturday so i don't quite agree

But thne again, I think Ronaldo dives less too so what do i know

[Forsberg]

eh ..... That was a WUM

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=966 85&highlight=scott+park er

My Proper vote would probably go to Shay Given or Mikel Arteta

I know . I really shouldn't be posting here when I'm busy . I'm not taking any notice ...just replying to anything that sticks out. Considering your first few choices were real , I just presumed.... The pic should have given it away really.


D'oh

[Lamps]

But thne again, I think Ronaldo dives less too so what do i know

:mrgreen:

A lesser man might chirp in with a jibe on the away goals rule.

But not me

[Roman Abramovich]

I saw him diving around like a schoolgirl against Spurs after he got challenged last Saturday so i don't quite agree

But thne again, I think Ronaldo dives less too so what do i know

ronaldo gave a dive in the roma home game. ronaldo has cut out a bit of blatent diving. but his overreaction to nothing fouls is still very high in the cuntish stakes.

[RonnyB]

3 months ago this was paul scholes best season.
last time i checked arsenal had never paid 18million for a central midfielder ala michael carrick.
i mean rooney is the supposed best young player in the world.
and lets not dismiss the input of giggs and saha.
dont cherry pick.

henry is a striker but at his peak the season he set the record for assists in the prem and his record for goals he wasnt what youd call an out and out striker.

ronaldo has been brilliant this season. personally i dont think he has the ability to sustain that year in year out. in fact i think he could struggle to even come close to what hes achived this year.

player of the year for me has been drogba. chelsea were stuttering all season, they signed sheva and it looked like he was on the way out and the guy came good. the guy more than came good he outclassed sheva in everything.

i dont think he will next year, i think shev needed a year to settle.


and show me proof hes been involved in 50 goals. for fuck sake most players on a pitch are involved in a goal. i mean if henry got 20 clear assists and 30 goals, how many "more" was he involved in. Considering everthing goes through henry at arsenal where as its allegedely scholes everything goes through at utd.


Paul Scholes's best season was either 00/01 or 02/03

Carrick has'nt cost United £18m yet. I seem to recall Arsenal agreeing a high fee for Reyes which would reach £17m all going to plan.

Wayne Rooney has had a poor season by his standards.

Saha has'nt been fully fit since the new year.

I wouldnt go along with the arguement Ronaldo has been more influential this season than Henry has ever been but just pointing out a few facts/opinions.

Which season did Henry have that record? 03/04??

[legend76]

ronaldo has been brilliant this season. personally i dont think he has the ability to sustain that year in year out. in fact i think he could struggle to even come close to what hes achived this year.

player of the year for me has been drogba. chelsea were stuttering all season, they signed sheva and it looked like he was on the way out and the guy came good. the guy more than came good he outclassed sheva in everything.



Ronaldo has improved dramatically for me this season, even since January. He's not actuaaly bringing other players into the game. But I do think this season has been a one off as regards his goal tally, a lá Kevin Phillips/ James Beatie, I seriouslly can't see him get that many goals EVER again

Drogba has been HUGE for Chelski this season, it's scary to think that, they'd probably be eight or ninth without him. ( United would still finish in the top two with or without Ronaldo IMO)

still this is all conjecture, but for me Drogba shades it

P.s. Forsberg, my selection of LAMPS as player of the year was a WUM also

[Roman Abramovich]

Paul Scholes's best season was either 00/01 or 02/03

Carrick has'nt cost United £18m yet. I seem to recall Arsenal agreeing a high fee for Reyes which would reach £17m all going to plan.

Wayne Rooney has had a poor season by his standards.

Saha has'nt been fully fit since the new year.

I wouldnt go along with the arguement Ronaldo has been more influential this season than Henry has ever been but just pointing out a few facts/opinions.

Which season did Henry have that record? 03/04??

actually going back checking henry only got 24 league goals the year he had 23 league assists. that was the 02/03
the year he scored 30 goals he only got 9 assists.

something i find amazing is drogbas goals per shot ratio while checking up there.
he has taken 41 shots and scored 18
ronaldo has taken 73 and scored 14

also whats amazing is this year ronaldo is way way way way down the crossing table.

with his shot rate so high and his crossing rate so low reading into that it means ronaldo has spent the season not really being a winger but more of a scoring midfielder like pires or ljunberg.

[Edmund Blackwater]

The manyoo media hype machine will ensure wrongaldo gets it.
Does he deserve it?
In my opinion, you do it against the big teams as well as the little teams to prove you're worthy.
Wrongaldo hasn't, Drogba has.

What's this crap about wrongaldo being involved in 50 goals?
He should be involved in all of them.

[legend76]

The manyoo media hype machine will ensure wrongaldo gets it.
Does he deserve it?
In my opinion, you do it against the big teams as well as the little teams to prove you're worthy.
Wrongaldo hasn't, Drogba has.

What's this crap about wrongaldo being involved in 50 goals?
He should be involved in all of them.

any mention of how many goals conceeded he was "involved" or rather NOT involved in ??

[ho chi feen]

you know nothing. John Terry synchronisises the rest of that backline. It is built around him. Was it not a few months ago, Terrys first injury, that Chelsea were leaking goals big time. If you believe they are the same type of defender then what can i say only that you know nothing.
I will not humour your repetitive jibe with regards to coining phrases.

Chelsea's defensive problems began when Cech got injured, and worsened as the defensive injuries piled up. It wasn't just JT that was missing from Chelski's back 5.

[Philby]

My memory is pretty dodgy at the best of times but from what I can recall Chelsea did indeed start shipping more goals but only started started to actually drop points once additional injuries (the most prominent being Terry) arose...I'm sure Shammy could offer more around this, I could be just talking sh1t.

[Alan Smith]

Roy O donovan or Joseph Ndo so far :p

[Forsberg]

Chelsea's defensive problems began when Cech got injured, and worsened as the defensive injuries piled up. It wasn't just JT that was missing from Chelski's back 5.

I dunno Ho Chi. i know Cech was missed but they became a shambles the minute Terry was missing . Even when Cech was back in the team before Terry they were still a shambles - Anfield for example. Then they stopped leaking goals almost simultaneous with his return.

Now it could be argued that it wasn't so much Terry's leadership that was missing but simply a central defender to take his place. I'd be inclined to think it was the former.

[Deadman]

i totally refuse to go with ronaldo....no way...i do not and never will respect this guy...for me it has to be Drogba, the man has been on a one man mission to get this title and I hope that they do get it and shut the cunts who say "oh ronaldo is the greatest footballer in the world" up. the world of football doesn't revolve around europe and even if we were going to say europe, he would not be the greatest player in europe...and not the best in england, not the best in the premiership, therefore he does not get my vote..

[Superdave]

Ronaldo - probably not in doubt unless he fails to deliver on the run in and united miss out now that the pressure is on.

Honourable mentions to McCarthy, Berbatov, Lescott, Arteta, Young before the villa move, Tevez if he can continue this form and pull the hammers clear. late surge but his could well be the single most important contribution of the season if it's successful.

[Paddy Wagon]

Christ almighty I really didnt think this place could get any worse....
Anyway...

1 - Ronaldo
2 - Drogba
3 - Arteta

Newcomer - Benni McCarthY

[lionelhutz]

I dunno Ho Chi. i know Cech was missed but they became a shambles the minute Terry was missing . Even when Cech was back in the team before Terry they were still a shambles - Anfield for example. Then they stopped leaking goals almost simultaneous with his return.

Now it could be argued that it wasn't so much Terry's leadership that was missing but simply a central defender to take his place. I'd be inclined to think it was the former.

the importance of terrys leadership is something largely dreamt up by sky sports. if you and jimmy want to read headlines fine. i watch football. they let in a few more goals than usual mid way through the season. cech was injured, a. cole was injured, terry was injured and essien was playing out of position at the back and they were having difficulty finding any decent sort of right back, well jose didn't seem to have faith in any. throughout the season i think carvalho has been immense holding it together, playing catch up to utd who were steaming ahead. they drew a couple games at a point but then started winning again and kept on utd's coat tails. obviously with cech, terry and cole all back to fitness the defence has improved, but you can't just put that down to terry.

[RonnyB]

Carvalho may be a cynical sod but I'd have him in my squad any day of the week ahead of Terry. I think he's a better all round defender.

[STEVIEG]

Carvalho may be a cynical sod but I'd have him in my squad any day of the week ahead of Terry. I think he's a better all round defender.

It's close but looking at them apart from Chelsea is interesting

Terry is average for England while Carvalho is superb for Portugal

Think Terry is unreal for Chelsea though but the likes of Makelele et al cover him and Carvalho well

[Edmund Blackwater]

It's close but looking at them apart from Chelsea is interesting

Terry is average for England while Carvalho is superb for Portugal


This is crap.
England have a fantastic defensive record with Terry in the team. That includes carrying Rio, too.

[STEVIEG]

You can follow me around all you want but I'm not replying to you anymore


Rio > Terry for England

FACT

[Forsberg]

You can follow me around all you want but I'm not replying to you anymore


Rio > Terry for England

FACT

In fairness Steve , there is this myth that Terry doesn't perform for England but Englands defensive record is actually very good since he's been in the team .

Saying that I think Rio, alongside him outshines him regularly but to say that Terry plays poorly for England is unfair imo


the importance of terrys leadership is something largely dreamt up by sky sports. if you and jimmy want to read headlines fine. i watch football. they let in a few more goals than usual mid way through the season. cech was injured, a. cole was injured, terry was injured and essien was playing out of position at the back and they were having difficulty finding any decent sort of right back, well jose didn't seem to have faith in any. throughout the season i think carvalho has been immense holding it together, playing catch up to utd who were steaming ahead. they drew a couple games at a point but then started winning again and kept on utd's coat tails. obviously with cech, terry and cole all back to fitness the defence has improved, but you can't just put that down to terry.

Well that's told me.:rolleyes:

Again as I've said, Chelseas record without Terry is significantly worse than it is when he's in the team. This is a fact.

There is no doubt that technically, Carvalho is a far superior defender than Terry - he's quicker , more agile etc. but he doesn't have the organsiational ability that Terry has. This is a major quality of a defender and it's what makes them probably the best partnership in Europe.

You're a Liverpool fan. They have the exact same sort of player in Carragher . It's hard to pick out any redeeming technical quality- he's not the quickest , his abilty on the ball isn't fanstastic but he's still a top player. Why?

[STEVIEG]

In fairness Steve , there is this myth that Terry doesn't perform for England but Englands defensive record is actually very good since he's been in the team .

Saying that I think Rio, alongside him outshines him regularly but to say that Terry plays poorly for England is unfair imo



Poorly-defo not

I'm looking at his England career as a whole and comparing Rio's, a more established international and one who has been their best defender in most of the big tournaments-Terry has improved greatly though under Jose and this has helepd his international form too

[RonnyB]

It really annoys me that Rio always plays well & looks solid while playing for England & he's prone to lapses while in a United shirt. It seems visa versa with Terry & Chelsea.

And the other thing Rio has a good record in the big games & never is found wanting. Shame he has a problem defending against the likes of Priskin & Zamora.

[ho chi feen]

I dunno Ho Chi. i know Cech was missed but they became a shambles the minute Terry was missing . Even when Cech was back in the team before Terry they were still a shambles - Anfield for example. Then they stopped leaking goals almost simultaneous with his return.

Now it could be argued that it wasn't so much Terry's leadership that was missing but simply a central defender to take his place. I'd be inclined to think it was the former.

I don't think it's quite as clearcut, although what you're saying has validity. I think it was merely the tipping point.

[The Black Knight]

Carvalho may be a cynical sod but I'd have him in my squad any day of the week ahead of Terry. I think he's a better all round defender.

Agreed. He's a great defender.

I really hope Ronaldo doesn't get the best player award.

[Superior]

Top Shooter Cristiano Ronaldo (Man Utd) 128
Top Passer Francesc Fabregas (Arsenal) 2136
Top Tackler Scott Parker (Newcastle) 162
Most Dribbles & Runs Cristiano Ronaldo (Man Utd) 169
Most Crosses Stewart Downing (Middlesbrough) 329

Goalkeepers Team Saves Saves/shots
Hahnemann Reading 141 77%
Friedel Blackburn 133 74%
James Portsmouth 120 78%
Howard Everton 116 82%
Carson Charlton 112 71%

Tacklers Team Tackles Success rate
Parker Newcastle 162 79%
McCann Aston Villa 156 70%
Sidwell Reading 124 76%
Xabi Alonso Liverpool 120 81%
Brown Fulham 118 72%

Passers Team Passes Accuracy
Fabregas Arsenal 2136 82%
Xabi Alonso Liverpool 1722 82%
Scholes Man Utd 1703 91%
Lampard Chelsea 1625 80%
Gerrard Liverpool 1594 77%

Scorers Team Goals Goal/shots
Drogba Chelsea 18 19%
Ronaldo Man Utd 16 12%
McCarthy Blackburn 13 27%
Yakubu Middlesbrough 12 16%
Rooney Man Utd 12 14%

Team Goals Shots On Target Shot Accuracy Succ Passes
Arsenal 52 429 191 45% 12054
Aston Villa 32 300 125 42% 7666
Blackburn 38 297 124 42% 8830
Bolton 39 248 102 41% 6993
Charlton 29 292 112 38% 7378
Chelsea 56 426 187 44% 11106
Everton 43 303 129 43% 6736
Fulham 33 298 125 42% 6528
Liverpool 50 453 189 42% 10827
Man City 23 308 127 41% 7091
Man Utd 75 478 226 47% 12421
Middlesbrough 36 294 121 41% 7480
Newcastle 36 300 124 41% 8756
Portsmouth 39 370 164 44% 7353
Reading 44 284 109 38% 6145
Sheff Utd 26 327 131 40% 5810
Tottenham 44 359 158 44% 9124
Watford 20 281 112 40% 4776
West Ham 26 286 112 39% 8019
Wigan 31 316 128 41% 5956


BAD BOYS Team Fouls Yellows Reds Points
Davies Bolton 73 8 1 103
Reo-Coker West Ham 68 11 0 101
Brown Fulham 79 7 0 100

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Here are the Opta stats. I don't like Ronaldo (where's his Corinthian spirit?)but I think he probably has been the season's best player, in terms of value to his team. Though I'm unsure about the honesty of effort, etc, etc...

[Edmund Blackwater]

Scholes Man Utd 1703 91%
..

That's quite astonishing really.
What say the scholes is crap brigade?

[STEVIEG]

[QUOTE=Superior;14922 96]
Passers Team Passes Accuracy
Fabregas Arsenal 2136 82%
Xabi Alonso Liverpool 1722 82%
Scholes Man Utd 1703 91%
Lampard Chelsea 1625 80%
Gerrard Liverpool 1594 77%


Pointed a similar stat out a few months ago in one of our Scholes/Fabregas arguments

Unreal completion rate (so is Cesc's to be fair)
Fabregas has over 2000 passes!

United pass more than Arsenal too I see, both teams pass a lot