Please Save The beautiful Lee Valley

[saveleevalley]

Hi Everyone,
I am just going to attach a press release we have sent out to the papers about this, please help stop this from happening let everyone know and write to the NRA to help stop it as well. I will be online as much as I can but we are busy trying to get media attention for this at the moment so please email us for contact numbers etc if you can get involved in protests etc.
thanks
Press release : Hi,
My name is Patrick Hayes and I am writing to you to let you know about the destruction of the beautiful Lee Valley in Cork . The area is supposed to be a protected green belt and is home to lots of wildlife as well as being an amenity used by the people of Cork for hundreds of years. Fisherman, cyclist’s runners and walkers all use the area and it is one of the only green areas that people can enjoy in or around Cork city.
Aprox 7 months ago the local residents who are opposed to any road being bulldozed through the valley found out by accident what the NRA was planning. Several other residents groups proposed the Red route as they did not want the road going near their houses. The fact that the spectacular Lee Valley would be destroyed in the process almost certainly does not concern them.
We have tried to have several meetings with the NRA to discuss our opposition to the destruction of the Lee Valley but to date have had only two.
They have now said that they will make a decision in June after the election so pressure needs to be brought to bear now to get them to come up with an alternative that won’t destroy a rare beauty spot like the Lee Valley . It is my personal opinion that the fact that know one knows about this proposed Red Route that will destroy the valley that they will go ahead with it. People don’t know about it so I personally fear that it will be done and then it’s too late, once the Valley is destroyed a unique amenity for the people of Cork and Ireland in general is gone forever.
The road itself would have to be built over a flood plain and that part of the river is unpredictable at the best of times so flooding all along the Lee Road and Valley as well as the possible affect downstream in the city is a high possibility. Once they build on the flood plain there is no expert in the world that can accurately predict what will happen, but one thing is for sure it is not a sensible option to even risk it.
This is another example of planners not planning ahead and not caring about the beautiful country they are destroying at an ever increasing rate. We are trustees of our beautiful landscape for the generations to come and must protect it for all of our children and their children to enjoy.
Please log on to www.protecttheleeval ley .com to read for yourself what the NRA is proposing. Write to your politicians, media and environment contacts and let them know you do not want this to happen. Please also let us know that you support the campaign to protect the Lee Valley as well.
Most importantly let everyone all over Cork and the country know about this disgrace and shame the people that first of all proposed it and shame the people who are currently trying to make it happen or by their silence as in the case of some politicians are just allowing it to happen.
Thank you for your support.
Patrick Hayes

[Pablo Escobar Gaviria]

jazzzzzzzzus...we have people on here complaining that the NRA have forgotten Cork....
now you want to stop the government pumping money into our road infrastructure

[PermanentMarker]

Thats a bit unfair. THe Lee Valley is spectacular he's only making a point.
The councils are controlled by FF and FG property heads - they concrete over Fitzgeralds park if they thought they'd get away with it.

Like with the incinerator I think people like this need to have an alternative suggestion rather than getting slapped with the 'not in my back yard' label. That'll get support. Proper public transport might be the right direction to push the argument.

ps: throw a few paragraphs in there rather the big block of text. It makes you like amateur

[Smeggle]

who built the site .... not a guy called 'Sean' by any chance....pm me if you want some help sorting it out ....

[jungle]

If you're to be successful with this , you'll need to outline the alternatives and say which one you favour.

There seems to be some route that you haven't illustrate. What was the argument against that? Wouldn't it have to cross the Lee somewhere anyway? What makes that crossing point better than the proposed one?

Are there more radical alternatives like building a proper National road from Mallow to Macroom or creating a tunnel from the Blackpool bypass to the South Link?

[Wumble]

Another thread that ought to be in the Langers' Forum.

C'mawwwwwn like.

[elwood blues]

can't access the website with his link.

[jungle]

can't access the website with his link.

This is what it should have been, I think.

http://www.protecttheleeval ley.com/

[elwood blues]

Thanks Jungle.
Are there any viable alternatives?
Traffic and congestion are things that are always going to increase but I don't think there is any way of constructing a link road like this without causing damage to the countryside.
As a plus point the scenic views would be terrific while driving on it.

[Poc Fada]

I dont know if there's really an alternative to the proposed routes unless you start talking about a tunnel which obviously isnt going to happen for budget reasons. Cork gets little enough as it is.

There's going to have to be some sort of M50 type ring road around the north of the city at some stage regardless of how much public transport there is.

Supervalu and centra trucks aren't going to put their cargo on a Cork LUAS, theyre will always be HGVs on the road and it would be great to keep them out of the city centre if possible so a ring road seems like the only solution.

Maybe it has to be looked at as sacrificing a portion of the Lee Valley to make the city centre more free of large trucks.

Are there any maps or aerial photos about so we can


Another thread that ought to be in the Langers' Forum.


So a few hyper-cynical bored IT guys can call a guy wanting to save the Lee Valley gay and take over the thread with some off topic bullshit??? Threads like these need time not traffic.

[Wumble]

They need SOME traffic. Here it'll get about six people looking at it.

You don't spend much time in the Langers' Forum, do you? Put away your big tarry brush there, biy.

[jungle]

So a few hyper-cynical bored IT guys can call a guy wanting to save the Lee Valley gay and take over the thread with some off topic bullshit??? Threads like these need time not traffic.

I suppose there's a contradiction between allowing the time for a thread to develop and for those posters who only log on every second day to see it and actually getting the average poster who never comes into the forum to see the issue. I'm not sure what the resolution is for that.

[Actin The Sham]

Hi Everyone,
I am just going to attach a press release we have sent out to the papers about this, please help stop this from happening let everyone know and write to the NRA to help stop it as well. I will be online as much as I can but we are busy trying to get media attention for this at the moment so please email us for contact numbers etc if you can get involved in protests etc.
thanks
Press release : Hi,
My name is Patrick Hayes and I am writing to you to let you know about the destruction of the beautiful Lee Valley in Cork . The area is supposed to be a protected green belt and is home to lots of wildlife as well as being an amenity used by the people of Cork for hundreds of years. Fisherman, cyclist’s runners and walkers all use the area and it is one of the only green areas that people can enjoy in or around Cork city.
Aprox 7 months ago the local residents who are opposed to any road being bulldozed through the valley found out by accident what the NRA was planning. Several other residents groups proposed the Red route as they did not want the road going near their houses. The fact that the spectacular Lee Valley would be destroyed in the process almost certainly does not concern them.
We have tried to have several meetings with the NRA to discuss our opposition to the destruction of the Lee Valley but to date have had only two.
They have now said that they will make a decision in June after the election so pressure needs to be brought to bear now to get them to come up with an alternative that won’t destroy a rare beauty spot like the Lee Valley . It is my personal opinion that the fact that know one knows about this proposed Red Route that will destroy the valley that they will go ahead with it. People don’t know about it so I personally fear that it will be done and then it’s too late, once the Valley is destroyed a unique amenity for the people of Cork and Ireland in general is gone forever.
The road itself would have to be built over a flood plain and that part of the river is unpredictable at the best of times so flooding all along the Lee Road and Valley as well as the possible affect downstream in the city is a high possibility. Once they build on the flood plain there is no expert in the world that can accurately predict what will happen, but one thing is for sure it is not a sensible option to even risk it.
This is another example of planners not planning ahead and not caring about the beautiful country they are destroying at an ever increasing rate. We are trustees of our beautiful landscape for the generations to come and must protect it for all of our children and their children to enjoy.
Please log on to www.protecttheleeval ley .com to read for yourself what the NRA is proposing. Write to your politicians, media and environment contacts and let them know you do not want this to happen. Please also let us know that you support the campaign to protect the Lee Valley as well.
Most importantly let everyone all over Cork and the country know about this disgrace and shame the people that first of all proposed it and shame the people who are currently trying to make it happen or by their silence as in the case of some politicians are just allowing it to happen.
Thank you for your support.
Patrick Hayes

Sling it newbie.


Sorry, I mean, sling it NIMBY!

[Actin The Sham]

Hi Everyone,
I am just going to attach a press release we have sent out to the papers about this, please help stop this from happening let everyone know and write to the NRA to help stop it as well. I will be online as much as I can but we are busy trying to get media attention for this at the moment so please email us for contact numbers etc if you can get involved in protests etc.
thanks



Let me guess.

You live near the proposed route?


Also, why use a picture of the M25 near London on your website as an example of clogged up roads?

Why not use a picture of the Blackpool Bypass, or the "North Ring Road" by Mayfield/Ballyvolane as an example instead?

Or are you and your "lobby group" happy to see HGVs driving through residential areas putting the lives of children at risk just so long as your peace and quiet is not upset?

Every time somebody living near you puts a house up for sale, the auctioneer will always say "very convenient to Cork City."


Well, being convenient to the city means that you will have to put up with the upset of infrastructure being built in order to enhance the quality of life of everyone living in the greater Cork area and not just a group of nimbys like you and your ilk.

And for the record, that route was available for public inspection months before the final decision was made.

This thread was posted in February of last year:

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=661 75&highlight=Proposed

But obviously you and your massive organisation (17 protesters as pictured on the paper today) were too busy to notice.

[Roman Abramovich]

This should def be in the Langers forum...

very important issue.

Good luck with it.

of course its a very important issue. that road needs building.

[Roman Abramovich]

Let me guess.

You live near the proposed route?


Also, why use a picture of the M25 near London on your website as an example of clogged up roads?

Why not use a picture of the Blackpool Bypass, or the "North Ring Road" by Mayfield/Ballyvolane as an example instead?

Or are you and your "lobby group" happy to see HGVs driving through residential areas putting the lives of children at risk just so long as your peace and quiet is not upset?

Every time somebody living near you puts a house up for sale, the auctioneer will always say "very convenient to Cork City."


Well, being convenient to the city means that you will have to put up with the upset of infrastructure being built in order to enhance the quality of life of everyone living in the greater Cork area and not just a group of nimbys like you and your ilk.

And for the record, that route was available for public inspection months before the final decision was made.

This thread was posted in February of last year:

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=661 75&highlight=Proposed

But obviously you and your massive organisation (17 protesters as pictured on the paper today) were too busy to notice.

heh heh heh...well said. fuckin nimbys.

[Roman Abramovich]

This is what it should have been, I think.

http://www.protecttheleeval ley.com/

what a shitty fuckin website. see the pics? fuckin morons.
heh heh heh

[Wumble]

Let me guess.

You live near the proposed route?


Also, why use a picture of the M25 near London on your website as an example of clogged up roads?

Why not use a picture of the Blackpool Bypass, or the "North Ring Road" by Mayfield/Ballyvolane as an example instead?

Or are you and your "lobby group" happy to see HGVs driving through residential areas putting the lives of children at risk just so long as your peace and quiet is not upset?

Every time somebody living near you puts a house up for sale, the auctioneer will always say "very convenient to Cork City."


Well, being convenient to the city means that you will have to put up with the upset of infrastructure being built in order to enhance the quality of life of everyone living in the greater Cork area and not just a group of nimbys like you and your ilk.

And for the record, that route was available for public inspection months before the final decision was made.

This thread was posted in February of last year:

http://www.peoplesrepublico fcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=661 75&highlight=Proposed

But obviously you and your massive organisation (17 protesters as pictured on the paper today) were too busy to notice.

I'm tempted to say "what he said" but I haven't thought hard enough about it yet. I do believe I'm leaning quite precariously in ATS's direction though, and was long before his post.

The road has to go somewhere though. What would you propose, Par-trick?

Got a better idea than the one eventually passed after years of humming and hawing? It's one of the few glimmers of hope in Cork's otherwise bleak infrastructural future.

[Eau Rouge]

How does building a bridge near the Anglers Rest "destroy" the Lee Valley?
I don't get that.

Has building the bridge over the Blackwater in Fermoy ruined the river for the people of Fermoy?

[elwood blues]

How does building a bridge near the Anglers Rest "destroy" the Lee Valley?
I don't get that.

Has building the bridge over the Blackwater in Fermoy ruined the river for the people of Fermoy?

that was my thinking,it makes it a good scenic drive.The fields will still be there below the bridge.
It's a road that needs to be built so someone is going to be pissed.

[donieG]

The Lee Valley was fucked the day they dammed it. Build away, it's too late now.

[the puerto rican feen]

How long a stretch of road are we talking about ?

The headline made me think we were building a 4 lane super highway all the way up to gouganebarra.


and how would the road ruin sli na slainte if it is overhead, there might be some disruption during construction but the two could coexist.

[langerdan69]

Is it just the building of a bridge over the river that people are complaining about? Sweet jebus.
Just build the fucking thing, what the hell is wrong with people. anyway as long as the Dublin government doesn't actually give us the cash to build it the argument is irrelevant anyway.

[saveleevalley]

Hi,
As I said when I posted the original message we are up to our necks trying to fight this and there aren't enough hours in the day to be everywhere and check in constantly at the moment so apologies for that.
In response to the insults etc as regards this I can only guess that the people posting them are young and haven’t travelled and lived abroad a lot but I could be wrong and everyone is entitled to their opinions and how also they express them is a reflection on them not us.
We are not anti roads but anybody knows that a ring road needs to well outside a city in order to relieve traffic congestion on a city. The proposed road is only 2.5k from the city and is liable to be another m50 disaster. What then when this road ends up drawing all the traffic even closer into the city and clogs it, we build another one? There are other options available to them. For a start it has to be further out because as the city grows more and more houses are being built. Has anyone seen Ballincollig, Ovens and Classes Lake recently? Those areas are growing really fast.
All the people living in those areas are going to have to drive in to a ring road that’s only 2.5ks from the city to avoid the city?????
In order to build the new road the valley would have to be crossed,. yes but does it have to be in an area that is such an amenity for the people of Cork?
When most people need to relax they get out for a walk, go fishing running etc, where are they going to go if they keep destroying everything with roads?
Also none of you seem to realize that that area floods anyway and because of this it causes flooding downstream anyway, once the roads pylons are sunk into the flood plains there is no telling what will happen the flooding situation downstream. The Lee Fields,Lee Road and Carrigohane road and Lee fields as well as Sundays well almost certainly will continue to flood as they have done but the city itself will probably end up flooding more as well. it is not a sensible option to even risk it; once it is done it can't be undone.

The way the NRA operates it's all or nothing, no comprise, we on the other hand are trying to protect what little is left of our beautiful city which is being destroyed by so called progress and are only asking them to listen to the people of Cork and come up with a viable alternative to this!
If any of you have spent time in the states for example especially in New York and places like that, I am sure you understand the importance of having public places like the Lee Fields and Lee Valley for people to enjoy.
Also tourists don't come to this country to see big ugly highways everywhere they have enough of that at home.
As regards comments about the group of 19 people the photo was taken during the daytime when only a few people could get off work, there are over 70 people now involved in our local area and beyond and hundreds of others who use the Lee Fields and Lee Valley area who have signed petitions, lodged objections with the NRA and Cork County Council etc.
As well as that other people that didn't know about it are angry about the way the Red route in particular has been proposed,it was not part of the initial public consultations and was put in there at a later stage without a lot of people being aware of it.
We posted here to inform people who otherwise might not have known about it and who at least want a chance to make up there own mind about it that’s all. The people just slinging insults are quite entitled to this at the end of the day is supposed to be a democracy but I do think your missing the point of why the message was posted here, it's to inform. It's for individuals then to make up their own minds about the pros and cons of it thats all.
Every one of you will have some issue cross your path sooner or later thanks to Government that will affect your life or quality of life then you might get the point of this posting.
Regardless of anything we have people talking about it and who are now aware of it where they might not have been before so at least that's good.
Thanks anyway and good luck.

[the puerto rican feen]

Hi,

Also none of you seem to realize that that area floods anyway and because of this it causes flooding downstream anyway, once the roads pylons are sunk into the flood plains there is no telling what will happen the flooding situation downstream. The Lee Fields,Lee Road and Carrigohane road and Lee fields as well as Sundays well almost certainly will continue to flood as they have done but the city itself will probably end up flooding more as well. it is not a sensible option to even risk it; once it is done it can't be undone.



how will a few pylons cause more flooding ?

Better check that one out for accuracy.

[Actin The Sham]

Hi,
As I said when I posted the original message we are up to our necks trying to fight this and there aren't enough hours in the day to be everywhere and check in constantly at the moment so apologies for that.
In response to the insults etc as regards this I can only guess that the people posting them are young and haven’t travelled and lived abroad a lot but I could be wrong and everyone is entitled to their opinions and how also they express them is a reflection on them not us.
We are not anti roads but anybody knows that a ring road needs to well outside a city in order to relieve traffic congestion on a city. The proposed road is only 2.5k from the city and is liable to be another m50 disaster. What then when this road ends up drawing all the traffic even closer into the city and clogs it, we build another one? There are other options available to them. For a start it has to be further out because as the city grows more and more houses are being built. Has anyone seen Ballincollig, Ovens and Classes Lake recently? Those areas are growing really fast.
All the people living in those areas are going to have to drive in to a ring road that’s only 2.5ks from the city to avoid the city?????
In order to build the new road the valley would have to be crossed,. yes but does it have to be in an area that is such an amenity for the people of Cork?
When most people need to relax they get out for a walk, go fishing running etc, where are they going to go if they keep destroying everything with roads?
Also none of you seem to realize that that area floods anyway and because of this it causes flooding downstream anyway, once the roads pylons are sunk into the flood plains there is no telling what will happen the flooding situation downstream. The Lee Fields,Lee Road and Carrigohane road and Lee fields as well as Sundays well almost certainly will continue to flood as they have done but the city itself will probably end up flooding more as well. it is not a sensible option to even risk it; once it is done it can't be undone.

The way the NRA operates it's all or nothing, no comprise, we on the other hand are trying to protect what little is left of our beautiful city which is being destroyed by so called progress and are only asking them to listen to the people of Cork and come up with a viable alternative to this!
If any of you have spent time in the states for example especially in New York and places like that, I am sure you understand the importance of having public places like the Lee Fields and Lee Valley for people to enjoy.
Also tourists don't come to this country to see big ugly highways everywhere they have enough of that at home.
As regards comments about the group of 19 people the photo was taken during the daytime when only a few people could get off work, there are over 70 people now involved in our local area and beyond and hundreds of others who use the Lee Fields and Lee Valley area who have signed petitions, lodged objections with the NRA and Cork County Council etc.
As well as that other people that didn't know about it are angry about the way the Red route in particular has been proposed,it was not part of the initial public consultations and was put in there at a later stage without a lot of people being aware of it.
We posted here to inform people who otherwise might not have known about it and who at least want a chance to make up there own mind about it that’s all. The people just slinging insults are quite entitled to this at the end of the day is supposed to be a democracy but I do think your missing the point of why the message was posted here, it's to inform. It's for individuals then to make up their own minds about the pros and cons of it thats all.
Every one of you will have some issue cross your path sooner or later thanks to Government that will affect your life or quality of life then you might get the point of this posting.
Regardless of anything we have people talking about it and who are now aware of it where they might not have been before so at least that's good.
Thanks anyway and good luck.

So basically you are saying that the people who replied to your original post are "young, and haven't travelled and lived abroad a lot."

You then go on to say that you could be wrong. Well, as a matter of fact I lived worked, and commuted in London for three years, and I am well aware of the need for proper urban transport infrastructure. It would appear that you are as well, as you have said that there is a need for this road but that it needs to be "further out," (another way of saying "further away from us," or "not in my back yard"), then you go on about the lack of consultation. As we have already pointed out to you, there was a thread posted about this very issue back in February of 2006, but you only feel the need to sign up and post stuff on here as part of your "campaign, " of press releases and the like. Your comments about tourists are laughable.

In summary your post would indicate that you are someone who has lived abroad for a while, and that large scale infrastructural transport projects are ok in other countries, or "further out," or anywhere really but just not in your backyard.

You have failed to give an alternative to the current situation which has articulated lorries speeding through residential areas in Blackpool, Ballyvolane, Mayfield and Dublin Hill as they try and get to and from business and industrial parks which are choked with commercial traffic.

Basically you seem to be saying that you want to live in a theme park overflowing with tourists who "don't want to be looking at highways" and to hell with economic development or the improvement of lives of the vast majority of people who wish to be able to smooth the movement of goods and people around our city.

[Pablo Escobar Gaviria]

I'm not young, i have traveled and worked all over the world...

and i think that that proposed road is a great idea, for all cork people....not just a couple of residents.
Cant think of a better route through the valley

[Actin The Sham]

For the NIMBY who originally posted this thread and started whinging about "lack of public consultation" may I kindly remind him that an additional 4 proposed routes have been posted on the Cork City Council website.

You can see the additional routes here:

http://www.corkcity.ie/news/mainbody,6750,en.htm l


You are invited to submit your views before the 15th of June.


Please tell them this time that you don't want anything built in your back yard before you come back on here again crying about "lack of consultation."


You, and your tiny group of neighbours are the worst sort of NIMBYs. Ye cry and whinge about "lack of consultation" when we all know that your main whinge is that the city and county councils want to improve the infrastructure in Cork and you, being the selfish sort, are worried about the impact this could have on the price of your house.

Well, not this time pal, the website is there, so post your "concerns" there.

[EDDIEB]

Hi,
As I said when I posted the original message we are up to our necks trying to fight this and there aren't enough hours in the day to be everywhere and check in constantly at the moment so apologies for that.
In response to the insults etc as regards this I can only guess that the people posting them are young and haven’t travelled and lived abroad a lot but I could be wrong and everyone is entitled to their opinions and how also they express them is a reflection on them not us.
We are not anti roads but anybody knows that a ring road needs to well outside a city in order to relieve traffic congestion on a city. The proposed road is only 2.5k from the city and is liable to be another m50 disaster. What then when this road ends up drawing all the traffic even closer into the city and clogs it, we build another one? There are other options available to them. For a start it has to be further out because as the city grows more and more houses are being built. Has anyone seen Ballincollig, Ovens and Classes Lake recently? Those areas are growing really fast.
All the people living in those areas are going to have to drive in to a ring road that’s only 2.5ks from the city to avoid the city?????
In order to build the new road the valley would have to be crossed,. yes but does it have to be in an area that is such an amenity for the people of Cork?
When most people need to relax they get out for a walk, go fishing running etc, where are they going to go if they keep destroying everything with roads?
Also none of you seem to realize that that area floods anyway and because of this it causes flooding downstream anyway, once the roads pylons are sunk into the flood plains there is no telling what will happen the flooding situation downstream. The Lee Fields,Lee Road and Carrigohane road and Lee fields as well as Sundays well almost certainly will continue to flood as they have done but the city itself will probably end up flooding more as well. it is not a sensible option to even risk it; once it is done it can't be undone.

The way the NRA operates it's all or nothing, no comprise, we on the other hand are trying to protect what little is left of our beautiful city which is being destroyed by so called progress and are only asking them to listen to the people of Cork and come up with a viable alternative to this!
If any of you have spent time in the states for example especially in New York and places like that, I am sure you understand the importance of having public places like the Lee Fields and Lee Valley for people to enjoy.
Also tourists don't come to this country to see big ugly highways everywhere they have enough of that at home.
As regards comments about the group of 19 people the photo was taken during the daytime when only a few people could get off work, there are over 70 people now involved in our local area and beyond and hundreds of others who use the Lee Fields and Lee Valley area who have signed petitions, lodged objections with the NRA and Cork County Council etc.
As well as that other people that didn't know about it are angry about the way the Red route in particular has been proposed,it was not part of the initial public consultations and was put in there at a later stage without a lot of people being aware of it.
We posted here to inform people who otherwise might not have known about it and who at least want a chance to make up there own mind about it that’s all. The people just slinging insults are quite entitled to this at the end of the day is supposed to be a democracy but I do think your missing the point of why the message was posted here, it's to inform. It's for individuals then to make up their own minds about the pros and cons of it thats all.
Every one of you will have some issue cross your path sooner or later thanks to Government that will affect your life or quality of life then you might get the point of this posting.
Regardless of anything we have people talking about it and who are now aware of it where they might not have been before so at least that's good.
Thanks anyway and good luck.

Hate to say this but someone here has to say it.

You are completly ill-advised,mis-informed and purely out of your depth with regard to the planning and design process for public procurement works including the public consultation which is ongoing with Cork County Council and the NRA.The northside and the western area of the City of Cork require this road for way too many reasons to mention.You make way too many assumptions.Firstly the Lee Vally will not be destroyed but may have a series of road bridges.Have you seen any of the great valleys in France and all over Europe with amazing Architect designed roadbridges ?
There is a public process - get involved and get your views considered but throwing in nonsense about flooding and pylons which have absolutly nothing to do with road or bridge construction will be dealt with and more than likely dismissed.

I think that you are completly out of your depth and unconvincing with spurious red-herring arguments.

[Actin The Sham]

Hate to say this but someone here has to say it.

You are completly ill-advised,mis-informed and purely out of your depth with regard to the planning and design process for public procurement works including the public consultation which is ongoing with Cork County Council and the NRA.The northside and the western area of the City of Cork require this road for way too many reasons to mention.You make way too many assumptions.Firstly the Lee Vally will not be destroyed but may have a series of road bridges.Have you seen any of the great valleys in France and all over Europe with amazing Architect designed roadbridges ?
There is a public process - get involved and get your views considered but throwing in nonsense about flooding and pylons which have absolutly nothing to do with road or bridge construction will be dealt with and more than likely dismissed.

I think that you are completly out of your depth and unconvincing with spurious red-herring arguments.


http://www.arqhys.com/contenidos/Millau-Viaduct.jpg

Here is the Millau Viaduct. I know the potential bridge across the Lee Valley may not be as big as this but the potential is there to build a landmark.