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Philby
22-03-2007, 09:32 PM
The lad is a legend, some of the stories of his antics @ Barca are legendary.


Updated: March 21, 2007
Romario's celebrations mark fool's goals

Andrew Downie
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RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil - Sometime over the next few days, Romario will cap a brilliant career by scoring his 1,000th 'first-class goal'. When he does so, Brazil will erupt with celebrations and tributes to the man considered by many to be the greatest penalty box striker the game has ever seen.
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A greying and creaking Romario now prowls the penalty boxes for Vasco Da Gama.



So why the inverted commas?
Because Romario counted his goals using the same quintessentially Carioca mix of stealth and cunning that made him such a danger to defenders the world over. Perhaps no one except the little man himself really believes he has scored anything like as many.
An enquiry by top football magazine Placar cast considerable doubt on Romario's claims.
According to Placar, Romario has not yet reached 900 official first class goals, with the magazine accusing him of including 71 goals scored as an amateur and another 18 in unofficial friendly matches played against teams of amateurs and retired pros.
The magazine also said they could not find any record of nine first-class goals he alleges scoring for PSV Eindhoven and said another eight supposedly scored for Vasco actually took place in exhibition matches or league games whose results were later declared void.
All in all, Romario added 101 questionable goals to his total, Placar said.
To anyone who has followed the life and times of Romario de Souza Faria it should come as no surprise that he adopted dubious means to get his name on that very exclusive list of players alleged to have netted more than 1000 times. For the man affectionately known as Shorty has made a career out of fooling people.
The most sublime examples come on the pitch, where his ability to drift past defenders, control the ball in tight spaces and finish from the most unlikely places is unrivalled. Ever since he burst on the scene with Vasco da Gama in 1985 he has shown an exceptional aptitude for putting the ball in the net.
First it was Vasco as a tiny 19-year old but even as he stepped up level by level, going to Europe and then on the international stage, he has continued to put them away.
After Vasco it was PSV Eindhoven, where he won three Dutch League titles and was top scorer each year. Then it was Barcelona, where he won the Spanish championship alongside Michael Laudrup, Hristo Stoichkov and Ronaldo Koeman and scored 30 goals in 33 games. And not forgetting Brazil, who relied on his goals to help them end a 24-year drought and win the 1994 World Cup.
The years since have been only slightly less fruitful. As he played out his career in search of the goals that would take him to the magic number he has gone backwards and forward from a host of clubs in Brazil to places as diverse as Spain, Qatar, Adelaide and Miami. Everywhere he played, he scored.
Just last week he showed that even at the grand old age of 41 the formidable brilliance is still there. Two hat-tricks in two games in the Rio State Championship, even against modest opposition, were proof of his greatness.
The problem with Romario is that he has employed the same sneakiness off the field as on it. The consummate individual in a team game, almost everywhere he went he brought trouble. The most famous battles were with Edmundo while at Vasco back in 2000 but he has also needlessly insulted all-time greats like Pele, Zico, Mario Zagalo and Johan Cruyff.
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Romario's last venture outside of Brazil was in the A-League with Adelaide United.



He leaves a string of ex wives and paternity suits in his wake and he punched or slapped opponents and team mates on more than one occasion. At Fluminense he even waded into the stand to attack supporters of his own team.
He considered himself above training at any number of clubs and the effects have been clear for years. At Vasco he now shuffles about the penalty box like a comatose grandfather who's lost his zimmer.
He abused fans at several clubs and disdained them at others but they turned a blind eye to such behaviour in Brazil, particularly when he was scoring goals. Brazilians treat people who can get round the system using that uniquely Brazilian blend of charm, cunning and dishonesty, as heroes. And no one was better at doing that than Romario.
A friend of mine met him when he opened his sports bar a few years ago here in Rio and being from the US he told the Brazilian striker how much it reminded him of Michael Jordan's bar and restaurant in Chicago.
It was a measure of Romario's sense of self worth that he just nodded knowingly at the comparison. Romario certainly believed - and still believes - he is every bit as legendary as the basketball star who could fly.
Romario, though, has not a shred of Jordan's class. For those living outside Brazil who saw only his goals, be thankful. But remember, when the ball hits the net and he celebrates number '1,000', it's not really the real thing. He's just fooled us into thinking it is.

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STEVIEG
22-03-2007, 10:05 PM
One of my favourite players delighted he is still scoring goals

Philby
10-04-2007, 06:25 PM
...anyone know if he has managed to hit the "1000" mark yet?

xvis
10-04-2007, 06:32 PM
...anyone know if he has managed to hit the "1000" mark yet?

he missed out the other day against some shite local opposition, and they grabbed a late winner to boot.

Philby
11-04-2007, 12:23 AM
The ultimate goal poacher
Our correspondent says Romário’s bid to breach the 1,000-goal barrier is contrived and statistically suspect

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Gabriele Marcotti


Perhaps no sport is as suspicious of numbers and statistics as football. Which makes sense because the flow of 22 men and a ball does not lend itself to categorisation. And any objective measure is relative because context is everything. Scoring the final goal in a 4-0 rout, for example, is not worth as much as scoring first in a match.
Making a defence-splitting, 30-yard pass that leads to a decisive goal in the last minute is worth more than your right back covering the same distance by lumping it across the back four uncontested. Yet, by most statistical assessments, both examples count the same.
That should be enough to rule out most football records as a measure of greatness. But numbers on their own carry a magnetic appeal. It is easier to say that Sir Donald Bradman averaged 99.94 runs in Test cricket for Australia than explain what made him the greatest batsman of all time.
Despite the stereotype that depicts them as a creative, care-free bunch, Brazilians are no different. Most grew up hearing about Pelé’s 1,000th goal (according to their statistics, he would go on to notch 1,281) and, to this day, many suggest that this makes “ [I]O Rey” the greatest footballer ever, even more than the three World Cup trophies he helped to win. There is a permanence to cold, hard numbers as a means of ending debate that subjective discussion cannot attain.
Perhaps this is why Romário, the former Brazil striker, is so intent on scoring his 1,000th goal. One would think that a career during which he won three Dutch titles, a Spanish title, two Copa Americas and the 1994 World Cup would not need any further garnish to establish him as one of the best strikers ever. Not when he is also the third leading scorer, with 71, in the history of the Brazil team.
Yet, shortly after his 34th birthday, at a time when most footballers are contemplating retirement, he became obsessed with the 1,000-goal figure. Thus began a quest that drew both awe and derision.
Romário hired researchers to count his goals, as many as he could find. To place him anywhere near 1,000, they had to get creative. They went back to his first hat-trick for Olaria, against América when he was 13, so his total includes 77 goals scored at youth level.
Then friendlies at club level were included, which turned up an additional 155 goals. But the wrinkles do not end there. Brazil has had an established national league only for the past few years. Before that, while there was a national competition, most of the attention was reserved for the state championships in Rio de Janeiro, São Paulo and the other states. Romário has scored 237 goals in the Rio championship, the Campeonato Carioca. Should they be counted, or is that the equivalent of a “London league” that, if it existed, might count the goals that Thierry Henry scored against the likes of Barnet, Brentford, Leyton Orient, Dagenham & Redbridge and Dulwich Hamlet? If you elect not to count all these goals, Romário’s total is reduced to 530, which is an impressive amount and one to be celebrated — as is the fact that, two years ago, at 39, he was the top scorer in the Brazilian championship — but it demonstrates how contrived the exercise has become.
A year ago, with the Brazilian championship over, Romário hawked his services, joining Miami Fusion in the third tier of soccer in the United States, so that he could inflate his goal total while he was injury-free. He duly did so, notching 22 goals in five months before joining Adelaide United in the Australian A-league to do the same.
Now he is back at Vasco da Gama, everything seems choreographed. The club received permission to play their home matches at the Maracanã because that is where Pelé scored his 1,000th goal (an equally contrived tally). To ensure that he scores it there, Romário makes it a point not to play in away matches (which is why he missed Sunday’s match away to Cabofriense, which Vasco lost 2-1).
The irony is that, using Romário’s generous counting techniques, it seems that he has scored his 1,000th goal. According to reports in the Netherlands, Romário’s minions failed to count a goal he scored in a preseason friendly against Nieuw Buinen, an amateur team, which would mean that his most recent goal — against Flamengo on March 25 — was his 1,000th. Romário’s camp has declined to comment.
So, will Romário’s 1,000 goals ensure immortality? Probably not and proof of this is on his doorstep. Arthur Friedenreich, another Brazilian, is largely forgotten outside South America, even though he scored 1,329 goals between 1909 and 1929, even more than Pelé.
Footballing immortality is not a function of goal tallies. It is bestowed by a cocktail of victories, memories and the media who record them. If anything, it is sad that some will remember Romário for his grotesque quest for 1,000 goals rather than the fact that he was one of the best players of his generation.

jimmy magee
11-04-2007, 12:56 PM
see here's the thing...

When Pele got all his goals, Brazilian teams used play 3-2-5.
Every match was high scoring. Plus he never tested himself in Europe. Pele took the easy option

much more respect is due to Romario!!
Who scored his goals in a significantly tougher climate than these mythical players of times gone by.

STEVIEG
11-04-2007, 01:02 PM
see here's the thing...

When Pele got all his goals, Brazilian teams used play 3-2-5.
Every match was high scoring. Plus he never tested himself in Europe. Pele took the easy option

much more respect is due to Romario!!
Who scored his goals in a significantly tougher climate than these mythical players of times gone by.

Fair point but Pele was hacked to pieces out of a World Cup and still won three


There was no protection back then from refs either

kipto
11-04-2007, 02:40 PM
Fair point but Pele was hacked to pieces out of a World Cup and still won three


There was no protection back then from refs either

maybe not in the world cups...but back in Brazil the opposition couldn't even look at Pele without giving away a peno

Lamps
11-04-2007, 02:45 PM
I'd be willing to wager that Romario got the vast bulk of his goals playing in South America.

Look at Ronaldo's record if you want to be awestruck. Romario's thing is no more than an egotrip

Armitage Conway the 2nd
11-04-2007, 02:46 PM
Ah shur he includes junior goals too in that 1000. Shur i scored at least a hundred playing for Ringmahon Rangers at underage. Hardly use that for my career total. Many a game we won 10-0. Those u13 were my highlight years

ho chi feen
11-04-2007, 05:49 PM
When Pele got all his goals, Brazilian teams used play 3-2-5.
Every match was high scoring. Plus he never tested himself in Europe. Pele took the easy option

You're labouring under the depressingly arrogant and rather common (yet false) assumption that European football was somehow vastly superior to South American football in that day. It wasn't, and the main reason that's not the case is purely down to economics, which is a strictly modern phenomenon.

STEVIEG
11-04-2007, 05:52 PM
I'd be willing to wager that Romario got the vast bulk of his goals playing in South America.

Look at Ronaldo's record if you want to be awestruck. Romario's thing is no more than an egotrip

You are really buying into the Christiano hype aren't you

jimmy magee
12-04-2007, 12:29 AM
You're labouring under the depressingly arrogant and rather common (yet false) assumption that European football was somehow vastly superior to South American football in that day. It wasn't, and the main reason that's not the case is purely down to economics, which is a strictly modern phenomenon.


read my post. Brazilian football was and is attacking and high scoring.

Philby
05-12-2007, 06:02 AM
Another twist in the tale...things are never quiet with this lad around!

Romario admits failing drugs test
04/12/2007 - 23:20:27

Vasco da Gama striker Romario has revealed he has tested positive for banned substance finasteride.

The 41-year-old called a press conference where he announced he tested positive for the substance following the 2-2 draw between Vasco and Palmeiras on October 28.

Romario claims he was using finasteride to treat hair loss and although it is the active ingredient in anti-baldness drug Propecia, the drug is banned by the World Anti-Doping Code because it can mask the use of anabolic steroids.

The former FIFA World Player of the Year insisted he would not let the result end his career and will await a hearing before Brazil’s sport tribunal.

jimmy magee
05-12-2007, 11:54 AM
You're labouring under the depressingly arrogant and rather common (yet false) assumption that football was somehow vastly inferior in that day.

i stand by theory. :neutral: take as look at this--> defending non existant, pub teams

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AmadeusDC
05-12-2007, 03:07 PM
i stand by theory. :neutral: take as look at this--> defending non existant, pub teams

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The first 2 minutes of this clip are all pretty much against European teams.......... (I stopped watching then). The defending was shite though.

-AmadeusDC-

RodrigoCardoso
05-12-2007, 03:19 PM
You are really buying into the Christiano hype aren't you

lolz 2 u

and amen to Lamps

Absolutely amazing..
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And the only player I've ever seen so similar...
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