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Actin The Sham
21-03-2007, 05:07 PM
I got this from the BBC website, and I was wondering what ye think of it:

"I don't really want to change too much, but squad rotation may come into it. I will have to be careful who I select against Arsenal and may even play a second XI."

So said Sheffield United boss Neil Warnock on 28 December, prior to his side's double header against the Gunners on 30 December and Middlesbrough two days later.

Strange then, that the man who fielded a reserve team as the Blades crashed out of the FA Cup 3-0 at home to League One side Swansea City now says he is against teams putting out anything less than their strongest XI.

At Boro on Saturday, boss Gareth Southgate decided to rest Jonathan Woodgate and Mark Viduka, with an FA Cup quarter-final replay against Manchester United at Old Trafford looming two days later.

His side went on to lose 2-0 to Manchester City, a result that moved Stuart Pearce's strugglers two points ahead of Sheffield United in the table and then moved Warnock to lash out at Southgate's decision.

"It's a disgrace and it is scandalous," fumed the sixth longest-serving manager in English football.

"I know Gareth's a friend of Stuart's, but I don't think a club like Boro should disrespect Sheffield United and it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth."

That bitter taste could just be sour grapes, though.

After all, Warnock had just watched his team capitulate at Chelsea and, coupled with Charlton's win over Newcastle, it meant the Blades were only four points above the dreaded drop zone.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, even Man Utd boss Sir Alex Ferguson had a pop: "It doesn’t worry me if they rest players. I have players who can handle playing on a Saturday and a Monday.

"The people who might be concerned are Charlton and West Ham. If Middlesbrough win, there is no problem. But if they lose, it is a different issue altogether."

Easy to say when you've got one of the biggest and best squads in the world and are managing an in-form team that has won 11 out of the last 13 games.

Middlesbrough they ain't.

So can anyone really blame Southgate for resting his best players prior to Monday's replay?

Boro are 12th in the league with almost no chance of getting into Europe next season and their entire campaign rested on 90 minutes against the best team in the country - a team gunning for a remarkable treble.

OK, so they lost. But they lost to a late penalty that could have gone either way and had Viduka and Stewart Downing scored with two fantastic chances, they could have caused an almighty upset to book a semi-final spot against Watford.

That's Watford, the Premiership's bottom team. For a chance to play in an FA Cup final at the new Wembley Stadium and – if Chelsea beat Blackburn in the other semi – a guaranteed place in the Uefa Cup next season.

As Boro's last Uefa Cup run earned Steve McClaren the England job, it's easy to forgive Southgate for making a decision he felt was the right one for his club.

Add to the equation the concern that Viduka very rarely gets through two full games in a week these days, not to mention Woodgate's horrific history of injury problems, and I believe Southgate was fully justified.

Not that he needs to justify himself to the media or Warnock - or anyone other than his chairman Steve Gibson and the Middlesbrough supporters.

At a time when football is dominated by financial reward and the pressure on Premiership managers reaches new heights, Southgate is just looking after number one.

Should he be bothered who gets relegated at the end of the season, as long as it's not Middlesbrough?


****

So, should teams be forced to play their strongest teams or what?

Forsberg
21-03-2007, 05:12 PM
So what does he want . ? An independant panel to decide who should play every game ?. FFS

He's a cunt anyway and the sooner he's back in in the lower leagues the better

STEVIEG
21-03-2007, 05:14 PM
Not forced, but Boro did field a questionable team and one of their players came off early in questionable circumstances

No way would Citeh have won there against Woodgate and co, so i can undersatnd why he is a bit pissed off

Philby
21-03-2007, 05:15 PM
Neil Warnock's gratitude won't be of any use to the likes of Southgate if/when they lose their job for not rotating their squad for fear of criticism like this.

Each club should only worry about themselves. Field the team that best suits your club and to hell with the begruders. The only obligation you have is for the 11 you select to give their all once they're out on the pitch.

Warnock has been surprisingly relaxed this season in the prem. I thought he'd be ruffling serious feathers with his bile, maye he's saving it all up for the run-in.

RonnyB
21-03-2007, 05:15 PM
Managers should be able to pick whoever they want. I generally didnt mind Warnock but this outburst makes him look stupid considering the weakened side he put out in the Cup.

Actin The Sham
21-03-2007, 05:16 PM
Neil Warnock's gratitude won't be of any use to the likes of Southgate if/when they lose their job for not rotating their squad for fear of criticism like this.

Each club should only worry about themselves. Field the team that best suits your club and to hell with the begruders. The only obligation you have is for the 11 you select to give their all once they're out on the pitch.

Warnock has been surprisingly relaxed this season in the prem. I thought he'd be ruffling serious feathers with his bile, maye he's saving it all up for the run-in.

I wonder who he will have it with......


;)

STEVIEG
21-03-2007, 05:17 PM
Who was it that rested their main players last season very early in the season against a top side?

Think it was WBA against Chelsea or someone?

That was strange

Lamps
21-03-2007, 05:18 PM
Who was it that rested their main players last season very early in the season against a top side?


Cuntis?

STEVIEG
21-03-2007, 05:19 PM
Cuntis?

??

Lamps
21-03-2007, 05:24 PM
??

Well he's usually behind suck flagitious nefariousness.

I should know, you told me

kevinbitzz
21-03-2007, 05:27 PM
Who was it that rested their main players last season very early in the season against a top side?

Think it was WBA against Chelsea or someone?

That was strange

Bryan Robson i think, away to chelsea

STEVIEG
21-03-2007, 05:30 PM
Well he's usually behind suck flagitious nefariousness.

I should know, you told me

I really don't know what you are on about



Yeah, it was Bryan Robson and WBA alright

relatively early in the season, thought it was poor form, football is eleven against eleven and WBA beat Arsenal last season i think

kevinbitzz
21-03-2007, 05:48 PM
it was a bit stupid of him to mention names etc., its only going to cause trouble for himself in the long run, i mean for a Prem team to hand 3 points to the opposition because the managers are mates, load of bollix, Southgate had the team weakened due to cup match, that must have been obvious even to Warnock, he just wants to grab a few headlines cos he's been fairly quiet most of the season

homer jay
21-03-2007, 06:35 PM
lads, warnock is a fucking clown. he's not worth the paper the column inches are written on.

lionelhutz
22-03-2007, 01:39 PM
lads, warnock is a fucking clown. he's not worth the paper the column inches are written on.

utter cunt alright, entertaining though

Jim Comic
16-05-2007, 10:12 AM
he's gone now

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/?jp=MHKFAUIDOJGB




gotta say i'm a bit surprised, he's done well there i.m.o.

homer jay
16-05-2007, 10:14 AM
he's gone now

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/?jp=MHKFAUIDOJGB




gotta say i'm a bit surprised, he's done well there i.m.o.

bad news, he'll be in the running for the city job now ffs. the joy of not hearing that prick for a whole season is quickly evaporating.

Forsberg
16-05-2007, 11:01 AM
bad news, he'll be in the running for the city job now ffs. the joy of not hearing that prick for a whole season is quickly evaporating.

Isn't Ranieri or Van Gaal tipped to go there

RonnyB
16-05-2007, 11:04 AM
Beating Warnock & Citeh sounds sweet but I couldnt hack another season of listening to his tripe. Did ye see earlier on in the season him comparing himself to Jose? Tosser.

STEVIEG
16-05-2007, 12:41 PM
Live interview with him on Sky there

Signed off by asking him who he thought would be a good successor



"Rafael Benitez" he said

heh heh

Coin
16-05-2007, 07:28 PM
Liverpool rested a bunch of players against Fulham, but they also rested 7 of the starters from the Barcelona away leg for their game against Sheffield the weekend after. Fulham took advantage, Neil Warnock and his boys couldn't.

STEVIEG
16-05-2007, 07:35 PM
Liverpool, to be fair, rinsed out Fulham in that match and should have won comfortably, much like Man United should have beaten West Ham the other day

Resting players is only half the issue here, players with less to play for are simply not gonna be as motivated, especially in the crunch time of a match

It could be argued that a second string have more to play for, personally i was happier with Uniteds performance against Chelsea than the one, with a better and more established team, against West Ham

Warnock sold a player, forget his name, who was a huge Blades fan and who was never given a chance at the club, but who got 30 goals this season for a lower division club, as his former boss bought about 5 below par forwards in to play upfront with the admittedly decent Rob Hulse

It's his own fault

Deadman
16-05-2007, 10:07 PM
im on my own here i see...Without a doubt they should play their strongest..Liverpool played next to nothing near their strongest at the end of the season and that helped Fulham stay up..ffs even Charlton got a draw at Analfield...And with all that Ferguson was promising with his full team on the last day he did nothing of the sort..And west ham stay up and Sheffield go down...I dont give a rats ass about sheffield but the fact of the matter is that if Man United were still involved in the battle for the league they would have played their full team.all that despite the fact they play Chelsea in the FA Cup the following week...So they win the league but play their second string side...and in the process deal Sheffield United a mighty blow...

STEVIEG
16-05-2007, 10:13 PM
[QUOTE=Deadman;154219 7]he fact of the matter is that if Man United were still involved in the battle for the league they would have played their full team/QUOTE]

They won the league and deserved the luxury of resting a few players, some of whom are out on their feet and some of whom were rushed back too early from injury (Vidic against Milan)

United shouldn have been about 4 up at half time

It was a perfectly good team that was capable of winning the game

You can't win every game you want

Sheffield United, if they were god enough, would have beaten a crap out of form Wigan team at home

Or even drawn with them

they were lucky to have 11 on the pitch and couldn't even score when Wigan were down to ten

Not good enough so tough shit basically Mr Warnock

Forsberg
16-05-2007, 11:36 PM
Teams should be allowed play whatever eleven they want, when they want.

end of story

Actin The Sham
17-05-2007, 11:52 AM
Teams should be allowed play whatever eleven they want, when they want.

end of story

What about the way that teams "loan" players out and then prevent the teams they loan them out to from picking them when they are playing against the team that loaned them?

ho chi feen
17-05-2007, 07:40 PM
What about the way that teams "loan" players out and then prevent the teams they loan them out to from picking them when they are playing against the team that loaned them?

They don't prevent them, it's a PL rule. In other countries, clubs have an option to include this in the terms of the loan, in some thye can't. In the PL it's mandatory.

Actin The Sham
18-05-2007, 05:31 PM
They don't prevent them, it's a PL rule. In other countries, clubs have an option to include this in the terms of the loan, in some thye can't. In the PL it's mandatory.

I know what you're saying but I think you get the jist of what I was saying too.

Apparently Chelsea are going to buy Alex during the summer for $1.
They didn't "own him" but he was definitely "on loan" in as many words.